The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:13 pm

h0kuten wrote:Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Super Buu

Beerus vs Golden Freeza + Vegeta SSJG SS + GokU SSJG SS

Freeza Final Form (FnF) vs Goku Base (BoG)

Piccolo (FnF) vs Kid Gohan FPMSsj (CG)

-Gohan should be more or less on par with one of his SSJ2 forms from back in the Buu arc, so Super Buu destroys him effortlessly.

-If Beerus is quick about annihilating even one of his opponents early on in the fight, things would likely be in his favor. He still has enough power over the trio to be able to dish out some substantial damage, while defending himself from sustaining any serious injuries. In any case, Frieza would become irrelevant as the fight progresses due to his less than stable stamina. That said, in order to actually pull this off, the destructive feline would literally have to single out one of the three at the very start of the fight and seal the deal before the others have a chance of intervening.

-If you're talking about Base Goku prior to obtaining his SSG powers, then Frieza incinerates him in the blink of an eye. On the contrary, I feel it could go either way with post SSG Base Goku.

The following is where I place each of Frieza's forms in FnF:

First Form - At least around SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc) / Kid Buu tier, but could be as high as Super Buu.
Second Form - Anywhere between Ultimate Gohan and Buuhan, but likely not higher than the latter.
Third Form - Stronger than Buuhan and but likely falls a bit short of SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc).
Final Form - Could easily one-shot SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc).
Golden Form - 80% of Beerus (Full power).

-This version of Piccolo should still be able to teach his old student a thing or two. I personally believe that the Namekian was already closing in on the same realm of power as a Cell Jr. during the Cell Games. With an additional seven plus years of consistent training, it seems quite reasonable to assume that he now notably stands above Perfect Cell.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by h0kuten » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:33 pm

Z-Sword Gohan Ssj vs Teen Gohan Ssj (FnF)

Piccolo (FnF) vs Perfect Cell (Full Power)

Kurririn (FnF) vs Jaco

Shisami (FnF) vs Broly LSSJ (M6)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:38 pm

h0kuten wrote:Z-Sword Gohan Ssj vs Teen Gohan Ssj (FnF)

Piccolo (FnF) vs Perfect Cell (Full Power)

Kurririn (FnF) vs Jaco

Shisami (FnF) vs Broly LSSJ (M6)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:44 pm

Why do people place Jaco above Kuririn?!
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by h0kuten » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:51 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why do people place Jaco above Kuririn?!
Kuririn struggled a lot more.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:18 pm

h0kuten wrote:Z-Sword Gohan Ssj vs Teen Gohan Ssj (FnF)

Piccolo (FnF) vs Perfect Cell (Full Power)

Kurririn (FnF) vs Jaco

Shisami (FnF) vs Broly LSSJ (M6)
-Z-Sword Gohan; in terms of Gohan's SSJ1 power over time, I got the impression it goes Cell Games > Z-Sword > 25th Budokai > Great Saiyaman arc > RF

-If Gohan can one-shot the guy who gave Piccolo so much trouble, then Cell.

-Dunno. A lot of Jaco's victories were due to outsmarting his opponents, and Krillin isn't as dumb as most of those guys were.

-Broly (way stronger than early Buu Saga Gohan).
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:26 pm

h0kuten wrote:Z-Sword Gohan Ssj vs Teen Gohan Ssj (FnF)

Piccolo (FnF) vs Perfect Cell (Full Power)

Kurririn (FnF) vs Jaco

Shisami (FnF) vs Broly LSSJ (M6)
- Z-Sword Gohan takes this easily
- Piccolo gets wrecked
- Krillin
- Broly murders Shisami

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:50 pm

h0kuten wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why do people place Jaco above Kuririn?!
Kuririn struggled a lot more.
So did Gohan, and everyone gave their best while Jaco was constantly running away and doing tricks... Is Jaco stronger than Gohan?

Kuririn can also sense ki and pick the more powerful guys (remember, the powers vary betwenn 1000 fighters), and if Jaco can read battle powers, he would most likely pick the weakest ones, since he is a coward.

In his manga, Jaco said that he was weaker than an adult Saiyan, and he doesn't look like a guy that trains, nor does he have any impressive feats in FnF. If you assume that he is stronger than Kuririn because he didn't get as tired, then he must be stronger than base Gohan, maybe even Piccolo.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:55 pm

Jaco vs. Gohan (dance-off)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:59 pm

SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Jaco vs. Gohan (dance-off)
Jaco schools Gohan. Unless Gohan gets loaded and busts out his alternate Great Saiyanman gear; then Jaco gets served.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by h0kuten » Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:10 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
h0kuten wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why do people place Jaco above Kuririn?!
Kuririn struggled a lot more.
So did Gohan, and everyone gave their best while Jaco was constantly running away and doing tricks... Is Jaco stronger than Gohan?

Kuririn can also sense ki and pick the more powerful guys (remember, the powers vary betwenn 1000 fighters), and if Jaco can read battle powers, he would most likely pick the weakest ones, since he is a coward.

In his manga, Jaco said that he was weaker than an adult Saiyan, and he doesn't look like a guy that trains, nor does he have any impressive feats in FnF. If you assume that he is stronger than Kuririn because he didn't get as tired, then he must be stronger than base Gohan, maybe even Piccolo.
Gohan wasn't tired until he was single shotted by Frieza.
Piccolo wasn't as well.

Kuririn clearly was.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:12 am

Drum vs. Old Piccolo Daimao (<50%; the power he fought Goku with.)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:46 am

h0kuten wrote:Z-Sword Gohan Ssj vs Teen Gohan Ssj (FnF)

Piccolo (FnF) vs Perfect Cell (Full Power)

Kurririn (FnF) vs Jaco

Shisami (FnF) vs Broly LSSJ (M6)
Exact equals. I'll give it to FnF Gohan.
Cell one shots.
Kuririn blinks and Jaco dies.
Broly dies for not existing in M6.
h0kuten wrote: Gohan wasn't tired until he was single shotted by Freeza.
Piccolo wasn't as well.

Kuririn clearly was.
Eh? They did get tired. They all took senzus except Jaco, who:

a) Doesn't take one because he only eats cheese.
b) Did not get tired because he didn't fight that much.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Drum vs. Old Piccolo Daimao (<50%; the power he fought Goku with.)
This is a very close match [220 vs 215]. I give it to Piccolo because he is a bit stronger and has way more experience than Drum.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:59 am

h0kuten wrote:Z-Sword Gohan Ssj vs Teen Gohan Ssj (FnF)

Piccolo (FnF) vs Perfect Cell (Full Power)

Kurririn (FnF) vs Jaco

Shisami (FnF) vs Broly LSSJ (M6)
-It honestly surprises me how people have no problem believing that Buu arc Goten and Trunks were closing in on the same realm of power as Cell Games FPSSJs, but seem to have qualms about giving Gohan the benefit of the doubt. Without any real indication that he's suddenly suffered the misery of a major decrease in power, I personally have a hard time envisioning FnF Gohan being that much weaker than he was during the time he wielded the Z-Sword. In any case, he one-shotted an opponent who was fighting on par with Piccolo, who should more or less be on par with Perfect Cell at this point, so I'd say his chance of winning this hypothetical battle is just as good as his Z-Sword counterpart.

-While it's pretty plausible for Piccolo to have surpassed Perfect Cell (suppressed), the latter's super perfect form may still be too much for the former to overcome.

-I have Krillin somewhere in the ballpark of 500,000 on the low end, and low millions on the higher end of that spectrum. As for Jaco, somewhere around 30,000 sounds about right.

-The over hyped legend defeats the mysteriously over powered bull looking alien.
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Jaco vs. Gohan (dance-off)
Jaco busts out his windmill and seals the deal with his signature pose / freeze at the end.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:40 am

SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Jaco vs. Gohan (dance-off)
Is it possible to one-shot a dance-off? Because if it is, Jaco does.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Drum vs. Old Piccolo Daimao (<50%; the power he fought Goku with.)
Given that Goku and Yajirobe were pretty much laying waste to Piccolo's minions by that point (albeit not with the ease Goku killed Drum later), but Goku got completely wrecked by Piccolo...Piccolo.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:32 am

h0kuten wrote:Gohan wasn't tired until he was single shotted by Freeza.
Piccolo wasn't as well.

Kuririn clearly was.
Then why did they eat senzu?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by h0kuten » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:47 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
h0kuten wrote:Gohan wasn't tired until he was single shotted by Freeza.
Piccolo wasn't as well.

Kuririn clearly was.
Then why did they eat senzu?
They could have went from 100% stamina down to 90%.

Whereas Kuririn almost died.

Huge difference there that you care to explain?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:58 am

They could have went from 100% stamina down to 90%.
Wasting senzu like that when a powered-up Freeza is around would have been really dumb from then.
h0kuten wrote:Whereas Kuririn almost died.
HE WHAT?!
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by h0kuten » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:59 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
They could have went from 100% stamina down to 90%.
Wasting senzu like that when a powered-up Freeza is around would have been really dumb from then.
h0kuten wrote:Whereas Kuririn almost died.
HE WHAT?!
Nobody showed signs of wear, nobody, at all, showed signs of wear. Only Kuririn.

I'll go with the art-work, and not fan speculation. The former of which shows nobody except Kuririn being worn down.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:09 am

Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, and Kame-sennin looked tired (look at the artwork again), but nowhere near death. Gohan didn't look tired, but he accepted & thanked Kuririn, meaning that he needed one. Everyone were giving their best, while Jaco was running away, and picking the weak enemies. And that proves that he is stronger than Kuririn, somehow...
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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