Nothing to gain from DBE?

[Saiyan-Professor]

No, that's essentially the same story with a shiny coat of paint.

While being made closer to the manga, new soundtrack, new opening, new ending and voices being redone.

It's being modernized in a way for today's generation.

Not everyone is excited about Kai (or it being closer to the manga in my case) as some, many would have liked to see the show entirely redone with new animation etc. Now that would be contemporary for it would resemble some of the latest animes that are on the market.

[Chuquita]

But I don't want it to resemble 'the latest anime series on the market'. Can't we just be happy with the original? It's a series from the 80's and I like it that way.

[Bussani]

But I don't want it to resemble 'the latest anime series on the market'. Can't we just be happy with the original? It's a series from the 80's and I like it that way.

Can't we just be happy with the 80s series as well as anything new they decide to throw out? Honestly, I'm perfectly happy with the manga, but I'm still interested in everything new that comes out even if it's ridiculous.

[Kingdom Heartless]

But I don't want it to resemble 'the latest anime series on the market'. Can't we just be happy with the original? It's a series from the 80's and I like it that way.

Can't we just be happy with the 80s series as well as anything new they decide to throw out? Honestly, I'm perfectly happy with the manga, but I'm still interested in everything new that comes out even if it's ridiculous.

Pretty much my view. Hell, even if they released another movie at Movie 11's caliber, it would probably make me happy.

[Chuquita]

But I don't want it to resemble 'the latest anime series on the market'. Can't we just be happy with the original? It's a series from the 80's and I like it that way.

Can't we just be happy with the 80s series as well as anything new they decide to throw out? Honestly, I'm perfectly happy with the manga, but I'm still interested in everything new that comes out even if it's ridiculous.

Pretty much my view. Hell, even if they released another movie at Movie 11's caliber, it would probably make me happy.

I have no problem with Movie 11. I adored "Ossu! Kaette Kita Son Gokuu to Nakama-tachi!!" . I just don't like seeing characters I enjoy get total revamps that make them unrecognizable in both personality and appearance.


Seriously, Chatku's just so totally out there that there's absolutely no excuse for it.

[Saiyan-Professor]

But I don't want it to resemble 'the latest anime series on the market'. Can't we just be happy with the original? It's a series from the 80's and I like it that way.

The original would still be available (I hope), but there are a whole new generation of anime and manga fans that want something that is modern and up to date. Take instance the younger kids that prefer the Naruto Shippuden style animation and story, would they necessarily be interested in the original Dragonball series? Many complain about Funimation marketing Dragonball Z as this super hardcore action series. Well if they had not all the individuals, I grew up with that are fans of Dragonball Z would not have gravitated towards it otherwise. I grew up watching Thundercats, He-Man and reading X-Men and Avenger comics etc. I am just saying that over time all things need fresh air breathed into it if the franchise is going to remain relevant to those that come after the initial group of fans. I like Akira Kurosawa movies but at the same time, I like “Musashi” the 49-episode television series produced by NHK because it had a modern feel to it and they took the story in a different direction compared to how it has been portrayed in the past.

[Bussani]

Taking something like He-Man is a good example. Even though a lot of the characters were different to their original counterparts, they still did something new and interesting with the general concept.

It's okay to dislike it though, if the original characters were what you really liked about the show. But that alone doesn't make it inherently bad I guess. DBE seems to have enough already to say it's bad even ignoring that the characters are different. XD

[Saiyan-Professor]

Taking something like He-Man is a good example. Even though a lot of the characters were different to their original counterparts, they still did something new and interesting with the general concept.

It's okay to dislike it though, if the original characters were what you really liked about the show. But that alone doesn't make it inherently bad I guess. DBE seems to have enough already to say it's bad even ignoring that the characters are different. XD

The Master’s of the Universe movie was okay the real problem I had with it was that He-Man was not huge. They should have paid the extra money for the insurance and got a body builder to play the part. Yet, the eventual new animated series had a slim version so I guess that was the eventual direction they were headed anyway. I think that the venturing to earth (the original home of Queen Marlena) scenario should have been in a sequel if they ever made one and had the Eternia setting for the first one. Yet, it was nice to see anything related to the franchise on the silver screen.

[KillerCory]

You will gain a headache.

[Kroni_Hunter]

What will we gain from DBE? Well, an amazing portrayal of Goku from Chatwin of course! The resemblance is uncanny! And we finally get to know more about those seven mystics who created the Dragon Balls!

[snaku]

Like how Japan made a new Godzilla movie after they saw how terrible the US version was.

That's not quite entirely true. Toei has a habit of retiring Godzilla then bringing him back when the time is right.

Toho had planned on retiring Godzilla for 10 years after Godzilla vs Destroyer. They brought him back much sooner than expected as a form of damage control after GINO.

Now the series is back on hiatus for at least a decade. Hopefully this time, they'll stick to the plan.

[Chuquita]

But I don't want it to resemble 'the latest anime series on the market'. Can't we just be happy with the original? It's a series from the 80's and I like it that way.

The original would still be available (I hope), but there are a whole new generation of anime and manga fans that want something that is modern and up to date. Take instance the younger kids that prefer the Naruto Shippuden style animation and story, would they necessarily be interested in the original Dragonball series? Many complain about Funimation marketing Dragonball Z as this super hardcore action series. Well if they had not all the individuals, I grew up with that are fans of Dragonball Z would not have gravitated towards it otherwise. I grew up watching Thundercats, He-Man and reading X-Men and Avenger comics etc. I am just saying that over time all things need fresh air breathed into it if the franchise is going to remain relevant to those that come after the initial group of fans. I like Akira Kurosawa movies but at the same time, I like “Musashi” the 49-episode television series produced by NHK because it had a modern feel to it and they took the story in a different direction compared to how it has been portrayed in the past.

I tried replying to this like five times and it kept turning into a huge-ass rant on how much I can't stand and dislike certain storylines and certain characters in Naruto, so I'm just going to completely skip that because I don't need to start some huge off-topic argument.

Yeah, really hard for me to talk about that angsty tween ninja series without the disgust at how things turned out in the manga coming forth.
(Sasuke angers me. )


...


Now I understand the whole "waaah, my childhood sucked" thing is in, but that does not give any movie studio free range to stick that type of junk to Goku. For all Goku's faults--and I know he does have them--he never brooded with angst while crushing on the "it" girl and desperately wishing to "fit in". That's not who he is.



I know American comics do the complete universe revamp thing all the time, but I don't read those sorts of series because I generally don't like that. That's one of the reasons I enjoy manga so much. It's one of the reasons I like books in general. You have a clear beginning, middle, and end to the story. I enjoy fanfics and AU's, but not when someone messes with the official property itself and (in my opinion) absolutely ignoring nor showing any respect to the original series it was spun off of. (ala DBE).


When you try to "revamp" something like Dragon Ball by altering the characters and backdrops to make them all "....cool.", all you end up getting is something that is the equivalent of "Loonitacs" or whatever that awful show was called.


I believe you can "update" Dragon Ball without transforming it into some dark, dank, angst-fest.

That's just my opinion.

[Bussani]

Now I understand the whole "waaah, my childhood sucked" thing is in

Just wanted to point out that my childhood was awesome and I loved every show.

I guess I'm just the opposite of you, Chu. I find revamps interesting, picking out what's different and what's the same, seeing a new spin on something, doing different things with the characters, etc. I still remember and in some cases still own the originals, so it's no big deal to me. If I still like the original better (which I often do), then great.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

When you try to "revamp" something like Dragon Ball by altering the characters and backdrops to make them all "....cool.", all you end up getting is something that is the equivalent of "Loonitacs" or whatever that awful show was called.

Did you ever actually watch it? Because as much as I *wanted* to hate it, when I actually sat down and watched the thing...

...It was just good. It was basically recolored Looney Tunes in space, and it felt to me like they somehow were able to keep the spirit of Looney Tunes despite the drastically altered setting and characters.

[Chuquita]

Now I understand the whole "waaah, my childhood sucked" thing is in

Just wanted to point out that my childhood was awesome and I loved every show.

I guess I'm just the opposite of you, Chu. I find revamps interesting, picking out what's different and what's the same, seeing a new spin on something, doing different things with the characters, etc. I still remember and in some cases still own the originals, so it's no big deal to me. If I still like the original better (which I often do), then great.

I had a pretty good childhood myself, but I still really dislike what's become of Naruto and no one could ever sway me otherwise.


I'm just relieved that I can have my own opinion about revamps and not have people yell at me over the internet about it. ^^;


My feeling with revamps is just that, by disguarding the previous version of the story it makes me feel like "oh we don't care if you liked that version or not, it's not 'hip and fresh' anymore so screw you readers you no longer matter." Its like they're throwing up the middle finger to anyone who held any nostalgia to the original. I just don't like that.


For some reason it only bothers me when it comes to "official" stuff though. Like I said, I enjoy AU fics, but some of the stuff that's in DBE--the OOC-ness, the "high school" schtick, that is the kind of stuff that was lampooned at ff.net back in the day. That's why I'm a bit beside myself that its that very stuff that got to be made into a movie. I could name you easily at least half a dozen people I've met over the years who could've written a better DB AU origin story script.

[Bussani]

My feeling with revamps is just that, by disguarding the previous version of the story it makes me feel like "oh we don't care if you liked that version or not, it's not 'hip and fresh' anymore so screw you readers you no longer matter." Its like they're throwing up the middle finger to anyone who held any nostalgia to the original. I just don't like that.

I guess I don't see it quite that way. The originals come and go. Either they get rerun, or something new is made on the existing concept. If they just outright remade it, exactly the same as before...I guess I'd find that lazy and unimaginative. I like to see them at least try to be different. Even if the characters and events are different, the same theme given a new (not necessarily 'hip', just new) spin is just interesting to me.

Take Transformers Animated for instance. Me and my friend are the biggest Transformers fans you'll find. We love G1 (the original series) and found a lot of the Japanese spinoffs to be terrible. But we kind of like Animated. It has little nods to the fans of the originals and even though it's quite different, it feels like it has the spirit of the original. It's still not perfect and we still like our cheesy G1 better, but we appreciate Animated for trying to do something new with the concept and at least being interesting in it's own way.

I guess if they remade something almost exactly the same, then I'd complain that they were disregarding the original. Because if you're not going to do anything different, why remake it? Because it was old? That would piss me off.

[Chuquita]

My feeling with revamps is just that, by disguarding the previous version of the story it makes me feel like "oh we don't care if you liked that version or not, it's not 'hip and fresh' anymore so screw you readers you no longer matter." Its like they're throwing up the middle finger to anyone who held any nostalgia to the original. I just don't like that.

I guess I don't see it quite that way. The originals come and go. Either they get rerun, or something new is made on the existing concept. If they just outright remade it, exactly the same as before...I guess I'd find that lazy and unimaginative. I like to see them at least try to be different. Even if the characters and events are different, the same theme given a new (not necessarily 'hip', just new) spin is just interesting to me.

Take Transformers Animated for instance. Me and my friend are the biggest Transformers fans you'll find. We love G1 (the original series) and found a lot of the Japanese spinoffs to be terrible. But we kind of like Animated. It has little nods to the fans of the originals and even though it's quite different, it feels like it has the spirit of the original. It's still not perfect and we still like our cheesy G1 better, but we appreciate Animated for trying to do something new with the concept and at least being interesting in it's own way.

I guess if they remade something almost exactly the same, then I'd complain that they were disregarding the original. Because if you're not going to do anything different, why remake it? Because it was old? That would piss me off.

*Ponders* To compare to Transformers, I do like a few of the spin-offs for Tenchi. (I liked both OVA's, Universe, the manga series by Hitoshi Okuda, Movies 1 and 3, and the original Pretty Sammy--the old one with Pixy Misa, not the new one with the random group of girls :p ) .



I guess if I get to the very root of it, my biggest issue is what DBE's changed Goku into; or tried to make Goku out to be. They've made him insecure and given him identity issues up the wazoo, and I'm not happy with that.


One of my very first introductions to Dragon Ball was of Goku pulling multiple bad-ass moments fighting Jeice and Burter while rescuing Gohan, Kuririn, and Vegeta from the battlefield. Seeing this whiny "he wants to be normal and get the girl" character that Chatku is really irritates me by comparision.

[Bussani]

To compare to Transformers, I do like a few of the spin-offs for Tenchi. (I liked Universe, the manga series by Hitoshi Okuda, Movies 1 and 3, and the original Pretty Sammy--the old one with Pixy Misa, not the new one with the random group of girls :p ) .

There's actually 3 Pretty Sammy series; the OVA, a TV series called Magical Project S and the new one with the other girls. But yeah, random tidbit.

I guess if I get to the very root of it, my biggest issue is what DBE's changed Goku into; or tried to make Goku out to be. They've made him insecure and given him identity issues up the wazoo, and I'm not happy with that.


One of my very first introductions to Dragon Ball was of Goku pulling multiple bad-ass moments fighting Jeice and Burter while rescuing Gohan, Kuririn, and Vegeta from the battlefield. Seeing this whiny "he wants to be normal and get the girl" character that Chatku is really irritates me by comparision.

Hehe. That's fair enough. Different people have different reasons for liking a show, like I said before. I guess what I like about Dragon Ball is less to do with the characters themselves and more with...I dunno, the overall theme and style? Although I do love Kid Goku.

Quite honestly it looks like the movie doesn't have the characters or the style though. I'm giving it a chance, but I'm fairly sure at this point that I'll just forget about it and go back to reading the manga like I always do.

[JAPPO]

But I don't want it to resemble 'the latest anime series on the market'. Can't we just be happy with the original? It's a series from the 80's and I like it that way.

What about Dragonball Kai??

[B]

Dragon Ball Kai will not look anything like "the latest anime series on the market."