Greatest mind in Dragon World.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:49 pm

Here's how I see intelligence in the Dragonworld: scientific knowledge, social knowledge, common sense. 5 = Genius, 4 = Above average, 3 = Average, 2 = below average, 1 = stupid, 0 = none of this kind of intelligence.

Senbei definitely has the best scientific knowledge: his time machine is better than Bulma's, he can create universes (for me this is the same domain as Capsules, only more impressive), and his space ship engine seems to be better than Brief's space engine (the most advanced ship on Earth before the Namek saga). Meanwhile his social knowledge is typical for Penguin Village, which is below average for the rest of the world, and his common sense is non-existent.
Scientific Knowledge: 5/5
Social Knowledge: 2/5
Common Sense: 0/5
Total: 7/15

Turbo, Senbei's son, was affected by alien tech, so he's by far the smartest. His scientific knowledge is greater than Senbei's by bounds, and at the age of 2 he's already at least above average when it comes to common sense. Since he also jumped the gun involving Senbei cheating with the Dampire, I'd say he's average when it comes to interpersonal relationships. However, he was the one who knew to look into it to see if there were other circumstances involved, and again, all this at 2 years of age, so I bump him into the above average here.
Scientific Knowledge: Off the charts (5/5)
Social Knowledge: 4/5
Common Sense: 5/5
Total: 14/15

Dr Briefs is inventor of the Capsule, the most sophisticated engine of the first world nations, and was able to invent machines that alter gravity itself. Added to this, he was capable of reverse-egineering #16. However, his porno fetish shows he's not socially perfect, while being too stupid to realize that the probable death of his daughter didn't outweigh the need for a speaker system being absent from Goku's ship.
Scientific Knowledge: 5/5
Social Knowledge: 3/5
Common Sense: 1/5
Total: 9/15

Bulma invented the Dragon Radar, a Time Machine, and also managed to reverse-engineer Gero's work. However, her wanting to use the DBs to wish for a boyfriend and her brazen attitude tell me she's a little lacking in social situations. In regards to common sense, she's perfect except for when she lets her social faults overcome her common sense.
Scientific Knowledge: 5/5
Social Knowledge: 2/5
Common Sense: 4/5
Total: 11/15

Gero is only incredibly smart in his field, which certainly puts him well above the average, but not among the likes of the four listed above. His kidnapping #17 and #18 only to make them the strongest in the universe tells me he's a little socially inept if he thinks that would make them his slaves. The fact that he makes a self-destruct remote in order to later keep them in line tells us he's no dummy when it comes to common sense. Meanwhile, making a computer take care of Cell rather than scrap Cell altogether puts him in the above average range.
Scientific Knowledge: 4/5
Social Knowledge: 2/5
Common Sense: 4/5
Total: 10/15

Gohan's intelligence lies in his strong ability to learn what others show him. Whenever he learns by himself, it comes from reading something someone else wrote. This puts him well above average, but because none of his intellectual feats are of his own doing, he isn't at genius level. I think the Saiyaman saga shows us he's below average when it comes to social knowledge, while the rest of the series shows he's no dummy either. There seems to be nothing spectacular about his common sense, though.
Scientific Knowledge: 4/5
Social Knowledge: 2/5
Common Sense: 3/5
Total: 9/15

So looking at the total, I rank them as Turbo, Bulma, Gero, Briefs and Gohan, Senbei.

Satan-Sama · Post by **Satan-Sama** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:38 pm

Bussani wrote:Why do people always say Gohan? We know he studies a lot and he eventually does become a scholar of some sort, but what has he ever done with his brain? Ever?

Bulma invented a time machine, given enough time and motivation. My vote goes to her.

Seriously, who cares how much school she missed. If someone can make a time machine, they are a great thinker.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:52 pm

What about Dr. Raichii he is in the Daizenshuu anime timeline.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:34 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:What about Dr. Raichii he is in the Daizenshuu anime timeline.

I see one trouble in here, because we don't know much about Dr. Raichi. Only that he invented machine, that can materialize thinks and warriors from ''anger''?

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:52 pm

You guys are talking about the greatest minds, but does that person have to only be book smart. Sure you have Gohan, but I'd say Piccolo and Vegeta are two very intelligent individuals too.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:38 pm

MCDaveG wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:What about Dr. Raichii he is in the Daizenshuu anime timeline.
I see one trouble in here, because we don't know much about Dr. Raichi. Only that he invented machine, that can materialize thinks and warriors from ''anger''?

If one thinks about it Dr. Raichii appeared to be the foremost intellect on Planet Plant. The Tsufuruians were spoken of as being the Stephen Hawkings of the universe. Since Bebi is responsible for Mu and Mu for the Machine Mutants etc. Raichii had to be above Bebi in intelligence. Dragonball GT states that Tsufuruian scientists constructed Bebi so there is a good chance that Dr. Raichii was instrumental in the construction of the Bebi project.

Forgotten Hero wrote:You guys are talking about the greatest minds, but does that person have to only be book smart. Sure you have Gohan, but I'd say Piccolo and Vegeta are two very intelligent individuals too.

If that is the case then Vegeta gets my vote for his tactical skills in combat alone.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:00 am

Can't forget Piccolo either. He is smart fighter, and smart when he's not fighting. Vegeta isn't too bright when he is not fighting a~la letting Cell transform or going after #16, #17, and #18.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:03 am

Now I'm interested in copying Dayspring's rating system for fighting smarts... :-/.
Vegeta would probably rank higher than Goku by common sense... Neither has amazing social skills XD.

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Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:06 am

Goku would be ranked pretty low, but he still would have the best fighting skills and abilities over all.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:09 am

MCDaveG wrote:Dr. Gero for creating the Cell and then even for make the machines and cyborgs, comparable or even above the power of warriors

He was incapiable of controlling them though, so his programing wasn't as good as you'd suppose. Bulma and her father also cracked his codes or something with 16, didn't they?

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:09 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:Can't forget Piccolo either. He is smart fighter, and smart when he's not fighting. Vegeta isn't too bright when he is not fighting a~la letting Cell transform or going after #16, #17, and #18.

Please do not start that Vegeta let Cell transform stuff, the manga in that very scene explains why he allowed that to occur. Saiyan psychology was at work, I bet a million if I had it that Kakarrot would have responded similarly. Remember the incident after Mirai Trunks departure when Bulma recommended tracking down the Artificial Humans/Gero before they even attack and destroy them, all the heavy hitters jumped stupid.

Forgotten Hero wrote:Goku would be ranked pretty low, but he still would have the best fighting skills and abilities over all.

You really think so.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:11 am

MCDaveG wrote:Dr. Gero for creating the Cell and then even for make the machines and cyborgs, comparable or even above the power of warriors

Technically wasn't it Dr Gero's computer that created Cell?

Maybe we should be voting for Computer-kun.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:19 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote: Please do not start that Vegeta let Cell transform stuff, the manga in that very scene explains why he allowed that to occur. Saiyan psychology was at work, I bet a million if I had it that Kakarrot would have responded similarly. Remember the incident after Mirai Trunks departure when Bulma recommended tracking down the Artificial Humans/Gero before they even attack and destroy them, all the heavy hitters jumped stupid.

Goku wouldn't do that, nor would anyone else but Vegeta. Goku would do anything to stop enemy unless he so in raged (Kuririn being killed by Freeza, and couldn't be brought back). Don't try the Trunks stuff neither. You can't compare a teenager's overconfidence, which nothing to do with him being Saiyajin, to that of a blood thirsty-egotistic madman like Vegeta.

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:Goku would be ranked pretty low, but he still would have the best fighting skills and abilities over all.
You really think so.

No captain obvious!? Caejones was talking about how he would place Vegeta over Goku, thus I throw my opinion down. Stop acting like you're the boss, it's getting annoying.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:26 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:Goku wouldn't do that, nor would anyone else but Vegeta.

He does have a point about the androids in general though hon. Son knew they were coming and that they murdered all his friends and family in that other time, but he still just let them be made and show up all the same.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:28 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:Goku wouldn't do that, nor would anyone else but Vegeta. Goku would do anything to stop enemy unless he so in raged (Kuririn being killed by Freeza, and couldn't be brought back). Don't try the Trunks stuff neither. You can't compare a teenager's overconfidence, which nothing to do with him being Saiyajin, to that of a blood thirsty-egotistic madman like Vegeta.

I'm...not entirely sure. Goku quite often urges an opponent to come at him with their full strength, and he didn't destroy the Androids before they were activated like Bulma suggested because he wanted to fight them. Of course, they had 3 years to prepare in that case, and he also pointed out that it wasn't right to go and beat someone up when they hadn't technically done anything yet. Goku also said that he hadn't expected Cell to have changed so much by becoming Perfect, so you never know.

I'd lean towards Goku not letting him become Perfect though. Even if he wanted to fight Cell's 'true form', would he really sacrifice 18 to do it? Probably not. If Cell could somehow transform without 18 though it's a much tougher choice.

I think Goku proves that he isn't totally reckless like that at other points in the story though.

Edit: Let's say that all Cell needed to do to transform was to eat one dumpling. And, like he said in the manga, he didn't expect that Cell would change much. Would he stop him from eating a dumpling? To be honest, I can imagine him letting Cell do it.

Let's not forget that in the Buu saga he probably could have defeated Buu, but chose not to so the people still alive could do it themselves. Sure, he didn't know Buu would get worse, and the dragon balls could wish the people killed back, but...it was still pretty irresponsible.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:34 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:Goku would do anything to stop enemy unless he so in raged

Fat Buu?

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:51 am

Rocketman wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:Goku would do anything to stop enemy unless he so in raged
Fat Buu?

I was referring to Freeza, but what about Fat Buu are you trying to convey.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:49 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:Goku would be ranked pretty low, but he still would have the best fighting skills and abilities over all.

Scientific Intelligence- (-5)
Social Intelligence- (2)
Common Sense- (2)

Goku can be pretty smart when it comes to fighting strategies.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:17 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:Goku would be ranked pretty low, but he still would have the best fighting skills and abilities over all.
Scientific Intelligence- (-5)
Social Intelligence- (2)
Common Sense- (2)

Goku can be pretty smart when it comes to fighting strategies.

Yep. Meri said it best "Goku is smart fighter, just not a smart person."

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:24 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:Can't forget Piccolo either. He is smart fighter, and smart when he's not fighting. Vegeta isn't too bright when he is not fighting a~la letting Cell transform or going after #16, #17, and #18.
Please do not start that Vegeta let Cell transform stuff, the manga in that very scene explains why he allowed that to occur. Saiyan psychology was at work, I bet a million if I had it that Kakarrot would have responded similarly. Remember the incident after Mirai Trunks departure when Bulma recommended tracking down the Artificial Humans/Gero before they even attack and destroy them, all the heavy hitters jumped stupid.

Forgotten Hero wrote:Goku would be ranked pretty low, but he still would have the best fighting skills and abilities over all.
You really think so.

1) Trunks was a hot headed and angry teenager. After that blunder, he became incredibly cautious about everything.

2) Goku was extremely angry and his Super Saiyan form increased his bloodlust and excitement for fighting.