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Post by rereboy » Sun May 24, 2009 7:53 am

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SaiyaMel wrote:Toriyama (neither he himself, nor through any of his characters' words) to my knowledge, has never specified that it will never regrow if cut or whatever,, and even he does state that I'd still think it sounds stupid.
Vegeta says it stops growing after a certain age when he exits ROSAT. So it won't grow back to its original length because it simply won't grow at all. Basically it's not length-related, it's age-related.
Human body hair stops growing after it reaches a certain lengh. However if it is cut or shaved or whatever, it grows back. It depends also of age, since little kids have almost no body hair, but teenagers do, and adult have more and possibly longer and/or thicker body hair than teenagers.

I always thought thats how all the sayan hair works. It grows until a certain age and lenght and then it stops. But if it is cut or shaved or whatever it grows back.

Still, every sayan is a different individual. As such, they can become bald in their old age or not (like humans do), and the lenght of the hair reached is unique (just like humans too. Some humans have longer body hair than others and etc). For example, take Raditz and his hair and Goku.

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Post by MCDaveG » Sun May 24, 2009 11:39 am

I think that this thing about Nappa is really simple.......... Nappa in the Saiya-jin Saga is GRAMPS :D
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Post by SaiyaMel » Mon May 25, 2009 1:29 am

rereboy wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
SaiyaMel wrote:Toriyama (neither he himself, nor through any of his characters' words) to my knowledge, has never specified that it will never regrow if cut or whatever,, and even he does state that I'd still think it sounds stupid.
Vegeta says it stops growing after a certain age when he exits ROSAT. So it won't grow back to its original length because it simply won't grow at all. Basically it's not length-related, it's age-related.
Human body hair stops growing after it reaches a certain lengh. However if it is cut or shaved or whatever, it grows back. It depends also of age, since little kids have almost no body hair, but teenagers do, and adult have more and possibly longer and/or thicker body hair than teenagers.

I always thought thats how all the sayan hair works. It grows until a certain age and lenght and then it stops. But if it is cut or shaved or whatever it grows back.

Still, every sayan is a different individual. As such, they can become bald in their old age or not (like humans do), and the lenght of the hair reached is unique (just like humans too. Some humans have longer body hair than others and etc). For example, take Raditz and his hair and Goku.
Agreed. Though people cut or trim their hair all the time... doesn't human hair just keep growing if you let it - like our fingernails?
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Post by Dayspring » Mon May 25, 2009 1:54 am

SaiyaMel wrote:
rereboy wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Vegeta says it stops growing after a certain age when he exits ROSAT. So it won't grow back to its original length because it simply won't grow at all. Basically it's not length-related, it's age-related.
Human body hair stops growing after it reaches a certain lengh. However if it is cut or shaved or whatever, it grows back. It depends also of age, since little kids have almost no body hair, but teenagers do, and adult have more and possibly longer and/or thicker body hair than teenagers.

I always thought thats how all the sayan hair works. It grows until a certain age and lenght and then it stops. But if it is cut or shaved or whatever it grows back.

Still, every sayan is a different individual. As such, they can become bald in their old age or not (like humans do), and the lenght of the hair reached is unique (just like humans too. Some humans have longer body hair than others and etc). For example, take Raditz and his hair and Goku.
Agreed. Though people cut or trim their hair all the time... doesn't human hair just keep growing if you let it - like our fingernails?
Yes. Human hair and nails keep growing until the follicles and whatever the nail equivalent of follicles die. That's why hair and nails keep growing for months after you die.

From this, one could argue Saiyans who get their hair cut can regrow it through a painful procedure; wound the follicles so that Saiyan healing brings em back stronger, thus pushing out further.

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Post by rereboy » Mon May 25, 2009 8:37 am

SaiyaMel wrote:
rereboy wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Vegeta says it stops growing after a certain age when he exits ROSAT. So it won't grow back to its original length because it simply won't grow at all. Basically it's not length-related, it's age-related.
Human body hair stops growing after it reaches a certain lengh. However if it is cut or shaved or whatever, it grows back. It depends also of age, since little kids have almost no body hair, but teenagers do, and adult have more and possibly longer and/or thicker body hair than teenagers.

I always thought thats how all the sayan hair works. It grows until a certain age and lenght and then it stops. But if it is cut or shaved or whatever it grows back.

Still, every sayan is a different individual. As such, they can become bald in their old age or not (like humans do), and the lenght of the hair reached is unique (just like humans too. Some humans have longer body hair than others and etc). For example, take Raditz and his hair and Goku.
Agreed. Though people cut or trim their hair all the time... doesn't human hair just keep growing if you let it - like our fingernails?
Actually I read somewhere that even the hair (from the head) has a limit. About 10 meters or so. It was a cientific study. As for the finger nails, I think they just continue to grow without limit.

The body hair however has a much smaller limit of lenght. And thats why I think the Sayan hair is like that.
Dayspring wrote: Yes. Human hair and nails keep growing until the follicles and whatever the nail equivalent of follicles die. That's why hair and nails keep growing for months after you die.

From this, one could argue Saiyans who get their hair cut can regrow it through a painful procedure; wound the follicles so that Saiyan healing brings em back stronger, thus pushing out further.

The debate topics I get into regarding Dragonball... :shock: :P
Actually, thats just a myth.

To quote the forensic anthropologist William R. Maples: " It is a myth that fingernails and hair continue to grow after death. What really happens is that the skin may retract around them, making the hair and nails prickle up and jut out more prominently"

http://www.snopes.com/science/nailgrow.asp

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Post by omegacwa » Tue May 26, 2009 11:02 am

Here are three theories of why Nappa is bald that all makes sense without having to come up with a ludicrous explanation.

1. He went Bald.
2. He shaved his head.
3. His hair was blown off or torn out during a battle.

Are these not good enough?

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Post by Jackal puFF » Tue May 26, 2009 10:13 pm

Everytime i read the title i just get that movie stuck in my head.. There's something about Mary.. :roll:

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Post by SaiyaMel » Wed May 27, 2009 9:46 pm

omegacwa wrote:Here are three theories of why Nappa is bald that all makes sense without having to come up with a ludicrous explanation.

1. He went Bald.
2. He shaved his head.
3. His hair was blown off or torn out during a battle.

Are these not good enough?
I think he just went bald due to age and genetics.
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Post by Dayspring » Thu May 28, 2009 2:41 pm

rereboy wrote:
Dayspring wrote: Yes. Human hair and nails keep growing until the follicles and whatever the nail equivalent of follicles die. That's why hair and nails keep growing for months after you die.

From this, one could argue Saiyans who get their hair cut can regrow it through a painful procedure; wound the follicles so that Saiyan healing brings em back stronger, thus pushing out further.

The debate topics I get into regarding Dragonball... :shock: :P
Actually, thats just a myth.

To quote the forensic anthropologist William R. Maples: " It is a myth that fingernails and hair continue to grow after death. What really happens is that the skin may retract around them, making the hair and nails prickle up and jut out more prominently"

http://www.snopes.com/science/nailgrow.asp
It's both: dehydration just makes it seem a shitload more prominent than it actually is. Since hair and nails are more or less dead tissue to begin with, it relies solely on how long it takes for the follicles (and nail equivalent of follicles) to decompose. The rumor aspect is that they grow longer and faster (when it's actually. at most, equal to when you're alive); it's this speed and length that is completely due to dehydration and decomposition occuring at the same time.
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Re: There’s Something About Nappa. The Mystery of Nappa Reve

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Sun May 31, 2009 3:40 pm

the_abberration wrote:There’s Something About Nappa. The Mystery of Nappa Revealed ?!?

As you all know, when we first see Nappa in the DBZ series, he’s bald. However, when he was shown in a flashback in the anime as well as in the Bardock Special, he had hair. According to Vegeta, a Saiyan does not change their hairstyle from birth (GT non-withstanding).

Now since this is only anime canon (he was never shown with hair in the manga), I’ve come up with a possible in story explanation for Nappa’s baldness:

Nappa’s daddy (or mommy) got some alien strange, which in turn produced a Half-Saiyan Nappa. This may explain the reason it was talked about that Half-Saiyans (such as Gohan) having so much power (Can’t remember where this came from but I know it was discussed in the past).

Now I’m not saying that Nappa was as strong as Gohan was as a child. I’m just theorizing that if he was a Half-Saiyan, his power level may have been higher at birth. This kept him from being classified as a low level Saiyan. It may also explain why he is with Vegeta (part of the royal court per se) prior to their planet’s explosion (Raditz being weaker most likely joined them after planet Vegeta’s destruction since they were the only ones left).

Now you could argue that Vegeta only said their hair doesn’t grow. He says nothing about them going bald. So let’s look at that:

(Vegeta: In the manga) “Pure-blooded Saiyans have thankfully been spared the grotesquery of “hair growth.”

Now while he does specifically mention hair growth only, there still is the possibility that they would view baldness equally as grotesque. So as far as the manga goes, it’s possible that Saiyan’s may naturally go bald . But what about the anime?

(Vegeta: In JP Sub)The hair of a pure Saiyan does not undergo any weird changes from the time they’re born.

For humans (and Half-Saiyans), hair growth is a natural process. According to Vegeta, for “pure” Saiyans, hair growth is a “weird change”. So it would stand to reason that baldness (which is a normal human natural process) would be equally as weird. Again this is debatable, but I for one am leaning towards Vegeta meaning if a pure Saiyan is born with a certain hairstyle, they keep that hairstyle.

(Vegeta: In ENG Dub) For your information a pure Saiyan’s hair does not change from the day that he is born.

Although the dub means $h1t among many DBZ fans, this translation pretty much matches the subtitles. The only difference is that Vegeta clearly states that whatever hairstyle a “pure” Saiyan is born with, they keep.

Other possibilities that deserve honorable mention:

• Nappa was born bald. His parents not wanting to suffer the humiliation of this, put a toupee on him. As he got older, he continued with the charade until Freeza blew up planet Vegeta. At that point there was no reason to hide his shameful secret, so he ditched the toupee.

• He looked in the mirror one morning and got pissed because he didn’t have big poufy hair like the other Saiyans. So he started shaving it.

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Why does everyone keep talking negative about GT? GT is really good. Look down on me if you must. I dont care. Vegeta's hair in GT was changed because of haircut. Get it?!! HAIRCUT! Nothing's wrong with having Vegeta's hair being cut. Even in DBZ, Nappa's hair went bald. So think twice before you say something. If you have anything against GT, dont say here. Think badly about GT in your mind is fine. Not here. Toriyama was appreciative of everyone working hard to make GT a part of DB franchise. I am sure you don't have any better idea of what to make a better story for GT.
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Post by the_abberration » Sun May 31, 2009 5:09 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote: Why does everyone keep talking negative about GT? GT is really good. Look down on me if you must. I dont care. Vegeta's hair in GT was changed because of haircut. Get it?!! HAIRCUT! Nothing's wrong with having Vegeta's hair being cut. Even in DBZ, Nappa's hair went bald. So think twice before you say something. If you have anything against GT, dont say here. Think badly about GT in your mind is fine. Not here. Toriyama was appreciative of everyone working hard to make GT a part of DB franchise. I am sure you don't have any better idea of what to make a better story for GT.
Uhh... When did I say anything negative about GT in my post?? IMO Vegeta's staement in DBZ would contradict his look in GT. That's not being negative..it's being observant.

Also, if I was negative about GT, that's my opinion. And if I chose to point out any negative aspects of GT in this forum, I'm allowed. As long as I do it in a logical and reasonble manner.

For the record I have no problem with GT (if you've ever read any of my post in the past you would know that). Heck I even liked the 3rd season of Star Blazers (which gets as much flack as GT in SB circles).

My post was about Nappa not GT. Next time please read my post before you go blasting me. Thank You.
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Post by Wojak » Sun May 31, 2009 8:05 pm

Dayspring wrote:The rumor aspect is that they grow longer and faster (when it's actually. at most, equal to when you're alive); it's this speed and length that is completely due to dehydration and decomposition occuring at the same time.
Just to correct you, even though the material to create nails is dead cells, the nail roots are not dead in an alive person and the cells of the nail roots require oxygen just like other cells to produce nails, and thus, there can't be any growth of nails when a person is dead, only dehydration can make them look longer.
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote: Why does everyone keep talking negative about GT? GT is really good. Look down on me if you must. I dont care. Vegeta's hair in GT was changed because of haircut. Get it?!! HAIRCUT! Nothing's wrong with having Vegeta's hair being cut. Even in DBZ, Nappa's hair went bald. So think twice before you say something. If you have anything against GT, dont say here. Think badly about GT in your mind is fine. Not here. Toriyama was appreciative of everyone working hard to make GT a part of DB franchise. I am sure you don't have any better idea of what to make a better story for GT.
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Because of that people don't like the same things as you do. They don't have to and they won't either no matter how many times you say it's good.
What is it with you GT fans? Just one mention of DBGT and you burst out in rage, waving your "Pro-DBGT" flags furiously and tell people that they are blind and wrong.

So think twice before you say something.
He has ALL the right to write whatever he likes whenever he likes. You have the right to not read it.

If you have anything against GT, dont say here. Think badly about GT in your mind is fine. Not here.
He was discussing Saiya-jin hair and was on topic, so I don't see what he made wrong.
And still, you can't decide what he can write and not write. If you are so sensitive of the matter, look away.

I am sure you don't have any better idea of what to make a better story for GT.

I am sure that many fans have better ideas of how to make a better story for GT, myself included. You can always make something better than it is. Even DBZ could have been made better.

I don't look down on people that like GT. Myself I don't dislike it that much.
But I look down on people making such a big fuzz over critisizm to something that is dear to oneself, especially if it's a fictional work...

EDIT: And the guy you got mad over has a friggin BEBI VEGETA avatar...yeah, it looks like he hates DBGT, right?
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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Sun May 31, 2009 10:00 pm

Wojak wrote: EDIT: And the guy you got mad over has a friggin BEBI VEGETA avatar...yeah, it looks like he hates DBGT, right?

Yeah.... Either that or he's mocking it.
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Post by Wojak » Sun May 31, 2009 10:04 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:

Yeah.... Either that or he's mocking it.
How? It's not a bad screen of Bebi Vegeta.
If he used a badly drawn picture, then it would surely be mocking.
You are looking too much into it.
With that logic I could say that you are mocking SSJ4 Goku. Which you obviously don't.
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Post by Rocketman » Sun May 31, 2009 11:49 pm

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Innagadadavida wrote:Also, in GT, Vegeta grew his hair back after he cut it.
...Huh? When?
It's a flattop haircut before Goku and co. leave Earth. When Baby invades earth a year later, the points of the spikes have grown back.

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Post by Xyex » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:33 pm

I am sure you don't have any better idea of what to make a better story for GT.
A lot of people here have much better ideas for what to do for GT. Kaboom, myself, Salagir, and others I've forgotten. It's really not that hard. >.>
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Post by the_abberration » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:41 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Yeah.... Either that or he's mocking it.
And how did you come to that conclution???
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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:18 am

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DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Yeah.... Either that or he's mocking it.
And how did you come to that conclution???
Lol. First of all, it's conclusion. Second of all, I hate GT haters. Period. Anyone who makes even slight negative about GT is going to be punished severely.
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:26 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
the_abberration wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Yeah.... Either that or he's mocking it.
And how did you come to that conclution???
Lol. First of all, it's conclusion. Second of all, I hate GT haters. Period. Anyone who makes even slight negative about GT is going to be punished severely.
It's just a cartoon.

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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:31 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
the_abberration wrote: And how did you come to that conclution???
Lol. First of all, it's conclusion. Second of all, I hate GT haters. Period. Anyone who makes even slight negative about GT is going to be punished severely.
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