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Post by El_Diablo » Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:01 pm

Really? Tenshinhan, after doing virtually nothing, is more than four times stronger than Vegeta vs. Ginyu force (He uses split form on Butta and Jheese)
Where's the beef?

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Post by Dai » Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:06 pm

That's basically the gist of it. I know it isn't realistic, but...:

1. It's DBZ.

2. It's filler.

3. It's DBZ.

Kuririn and the others all trained under Kami-sama, same as Goku, and multiplied their power by a thousand in three times less the time it took Goku to improve hardly a third. I can't really say this is much too different from that.
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Post by Caracal » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:53 pm

El_Diablo wrote:They had just arrived while Goku was in the middle of Training.
Actually he finished training. King Kai forgot to calculate that Goku would have to go across Snake Way again.

I've always been a fan of the driving episode myself. Not sure why.

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Post by B-kun » Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:23 pm

I want the DVD with that episode JUST for that episode.

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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:09 pm

Dai wrote:Goku got from 300 to what, 30,000 (?) in a couple of months.
*Ahem*
416 to 8,000.
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Post by Super Sonic » Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:10 am

On a different filler note, Krillin and the others should have been at Goku and Chi Chi's wedding. That and it should have went straight to it without that stupid new bansho-sen quest.

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Post by *PINHEAD* » Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:12 am

Okay, ugh, I got one. The whole Garlic Jr. thing...Son Goku found Gohan's dragon ball right after the ordeal with Garlic Jr. Then everyone had a sudden case of amnesia. And the original Garlic who wreaked havoc on the Earth was buddies with Piccolo Daimaou, seeing as how supposedly both of them caused dark ages for Earth after Kami became...well, Kami.
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Post by The S » Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:28 pm

Does this include GT plotholes?
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:23 am

GT is a plothole.
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Post by Dragon » Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:34 am

He's right. I have so many questions about that thing it's annoying. I pretty much lost interest after the Super Saiyan 4 thing. But I only liked it for 2 reasons. DBZ ended with Goku training Uub and that's where this one began. And the fact that it was an attempt to keep the masquerade going. Besides that, didn't Pilaf, Shu, and Mai die near the end of DB. In the English dubbed version, from what I can remember, Piccolo Daimiou had them tossed off of the plane he was on, and they couldn't have survived that since they hit hard ground. ... Unless they did in the Japanese version :?
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Post by El_Diablo » Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:51 am

Caracal wrote:
El_Diablo wrote:They had just arrived while Goku was in the middle of Training.
Actually he finished training. King Kai forgot to calculate that Goku would have to go across Snake Way again.
I meant the training on his spaceship

And in Blue Water's English dub it shows Pilaf and friends getting up after being thrown out of the airship (but it might have been filler).
Where's the beef?

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Post by Super Sonic » Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:38 pm

That happened in the manga as well, but it's easy to overlook that panel. I know I did many times before.

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Post by TripleRach » Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:41 pm

Dragon wrote:Besides that, didn't Pilaf, Shu, and Mai die near the end of DB. In the English dubbed version, from what I can remember, Piccolo Daimiou had them tossed off of the plane he was on, and they couldn't have survived that since they hit hard ground. ... Unless they did in the Japanese version :?
In the manga, when they fall from the plane, they're shown to still be alive a few panels later, just banged up from the landing. And of course, in anime canon, they did make those appearances at the end of DB, during Gokuu and Chichi's adventure.

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Post by Dragon » Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:04 pm

Hmm, well you're right then. I haven't seen an episode of DB for like what, two years now? They took it off of Cartoon Network ages ago, along with DBZ.
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Post by Duo » Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:46 pm

Goku only trained on the Space pod to Namek for 6 days, the power increase was from constantly upping the Gravity. In that Time, the Humans arrived on Kaio-sama's planet. They were only there for like...5 or 6 days before the Ginyu's would have arrived, and Goku was there for about a quarter of a year. That Filler is just...impossible.

I can try to Rationalize Vegito vs. Buuhan with the fact that Vegeta had a very low SS Multiplier since he trained his Base a ton and that crossed over to Vegito, so that his Multiplier was less than 5, so that he went from close to Buuhan to way above without it being too ridiculous.

Although, nonetheless, its pretty stupid.

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Post by Neon Z » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:28 am

Duo wrote:Goku only trained on the Space pod to Namek for 6 days, the power increase was from constantly upping the Gravity. In that Time, the Humans arrived on Kaio-sama's planet. They were only there for like...5 or 6 days before the Ginyu's would have arrived, and Goku was there for about a quarter of a year. That Filler is just...impossible.
Maybe, eh... they trained with weights, like Buu Saga Goku? That's the same thing as training with gravity.

But, there's the problem of the filler actually showing their training, and it was the same one that Goku got...

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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:22 pm

Duo wrote:Goku only trained on the Space pod to Namek for 6 days, the power increase was from constantly upping the Gravity.
Plus, he had to take 7 Senzu, so I'd assume that's 7 near death experiences.
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Post by El_Diablo » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:53 am

He took 4 senzu.

1 to heal his injuries from Vegeta

3 on the way to Namek to heal

and 3 for Gohan, Kuririn and Vegeta
Where's the beef?

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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:59 am

1. I think he said, while on the ship, that he had 10 Senzu in the first place
2. Then he saved the last 3
3. So I think he had 11 in the first place, and then used one to heal in the hospital.
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Post by ChibiKenji » Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:04 pm

I read that bit of the manga today, I'm fairly certain it was 7 Senzu Yajirobie gave him. I'll check.

Edit: Volume 21 (Chapter 10), Page 150, Panel 3

Yajirobie: "Well here they are, 7 Senzu care of Karin".

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