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Post by Alias » Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:29 am

omae no kaasan wrote:Being forced to pay extra for a crappy site that eventually got over 100,000 unique accesses a day at its peak. That was great.
Not even close. At about the time of Planet Namek's closing, their maximum on peak days each week was about 33-35,000. Their average was about 23-26,000 daily, with only about 14-19,000 on Tuesdays.

Funny how the mind stores away such weird things! ^_^

Memory #1 - Buying Goku Hishouden. In late '99, maybe early 2000, I went over to a pawn shop I regularly visited, and checked out their video games section. I immediately noticed a teal Gameboy Color for $35. I picked it up, checked it over, and then noticed two games on the shelf where it had been. Both were in Japanese, so I wasn't really interested in playing them. One was a fighting game, and one was Goku Hishouden. I decided to buy the Gameboy, which was a good deal at the time, and haggled to get one of the games thrown in with the deal. I distinctly remember holding both, trying to decide which one I wanted. I didn't know much about the fighting game, but I had heard of Dragon Ball, which was becoming popular at the time. It looked like something that might be worth money (I'm a bit of an Arab rug trader...), so I grabbed it and left. In the coming days, I learned to play the game, figuring out which button did what, how to use attacks, etc... I came to a LOT of misconceptions about the story, from thinking that there was an evil version of Goku (the Copy-Goku you fight at the beginning), to thinking that the elimination rounds at the Budoukai was some sort of battle against some evil characters that had appeared for whatever reason. I checked the game up on ebay, it turned out that it was selling for $75, with its sequel fetching even more. I still have it.

Memory #2 - Seeing the Freeza Saga for the first time. After playing the game, I became interested in the show. I bought some fansubs on ebay for about 10 bucks. The first episodes I saw were from the Freeza Saga, starting with Freeza coming upon Vegeta and co. onwards. They were incredible. Piccolo was immediately my favorite from the moment I saw him on his way to help. Vegeta... At first I wasn't sure if he had become good, since he had been a villain in the game. I also misheard some of the names, thinking Piccolo was 'Biccolo' and Vegeta was 'Becheetah' *hides face in embarassment* I remember thinking that it was REALLY weird that Goku was imagining Vegeta in the nude when he saw that vision of support... And when Goku became Super Saiya-jin... I saw that scene long before I knew of the "SSJ Bargain Sales" of later. I had not seen any SSJ pictures, nor any later episodes, so to me, Goku was THE Legend. I had waited through many corny side plots (Ginyu Tokusentai at Kaio's, the Bulma-Ginyu thing, etc...), and waited episode after episode for this climax. The transformation was the greatest of all the scenes I had seen in the series.

Memory #3 - The 'Discovery' period. At this point, I went online and began researching the show, discovering every story, downloading every clip, and devouring everything detail I could find. I read so many bios, episode scripts, interviews... I visited Daizex, Ginga GIRI GIRI (which I grew to hate for its crude, idiotic humor), Planet Namek, Temple 'O Trunks, Ramza's site, Kienzan's Edge, Unrivaled Dragonball Source, DBZ Uncensored, among many others. I visited PN daily for news, read translated manga, and became a part of the most vibrant anime community on the web. I'm becoming super nostalgic at the moment...

Memory #4 - The passionate rage over Funimation. The more I discovered about the series, the more I began to hate Funimation. I'd see the dubs, see the subs, and the difference was night and day. They were so awful... When season 3 came out, all the idiots of the fandom began going on about how wonderful it was, how close it was to the original, how the voices had improved so much, how the the lines were so accurate, the music so perfect, dadda, dadda, da. Better, my fanny. The dubs were worse than ever, and continued on a downward spiral. Whenever we complained, we constantly got told by other 'fans' to be grateful for what we were getting, that without Funi we would never have heard of the series. If I didn't know better, I would've thought that Funi was paying people to say that stuff. Still, there were people who fought the garbage that was being shoved down our throats, and the great sense of unity against a common evil foe was wonderful. Sure, Funi may have won, but we didn't go down without a fight!

Those are my greatest memories.

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Post by Professor Daravon » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:41 am

My best memories of the DBZ web community involve my own part in it. I remember being really excited the day Planet Namek decided to link my site, because I felt like I might really be getting somewhere. That feeling was boosted shortly thereafter when Meri E-mailed my friend who worked on the site with me, asking to trade links. To be honest, I was never a huge Trunks fan and I'm not really one to visit character shrines either, so I'd been familiar with ToT, but I rarely went there. Still, I knew ToT was pretty big, and so it was a really great feeling when the webmaster of one of the important sites had actually stumbled on my site and liked it enough to want to trade links. It should probably go without saying that we accepted the offer without any hesitation.

Anyway, with hosting issues and whatnot, we decided not to keep on with the site, so it's been dead for a couple years now. It was a fun time, and we prided ourselves on the most extensive episode and movie summaries available anywhere -- although, in retrospect, they probably would have been much better if we hadn't been using fansubs. Not like there was anything better at the time, though. The first few DVDs started trickling out while the site still had some life left, but it was in its death throes by the time they started being released in large numbers. We used them where we could, but the vast majority of material on there was based on fansubs (and where we lacked even those, material came from the manga), so we just had to kind of wing it when we came across translations that were questionable at best.

Anyway, that leads me into the best non-Internet memory. Aside from the obvious first experience with the show, my favorite memory is the first time I popped in a bilingual DBZ DVD and got to enjoy the show, not with a crappy dub and crappy music, not with horrendous picture quality and even worse subtitles from a 17th generation VHS, but DBZ, crystal clear picture (or as close to it as you're going to get to it, anyhow), original soundtrack, original voices, and those wonderful subtitles. Sure, I was a little put off by things like Bulma's "Son-kun" being changed just to "Goku" by whoever actually put the subtitles on the disc, but the important thing was that I was watching DBZ on DVD. The early flaws that appeared in those first few DVDs were rectified as FUNimation figured out what it was doing, and each disc got progressively better after that first release.

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Post by Jerseymilk » Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:41 am

...my first memory is the first time I popped in a bilingual DBZ DVD and got to enjoy the show, not with a crappy dub and crappy music, not with horendous picture quality and even worse subtitles from a 17th generation VHS, but DBZ, crystal clear picture (or as close as you're going to get to it, anyhow), original soundtrack, original voices, and those wonderful subtitles.
I couldn't have put it better myself! :D I remember when Funi released the first bilingual DVDS, the Trunks ones. I went out right away and bought them, even though I didn't even have the DVD player yet!! :lol: I bought one shortly after and I felt the same way the first time I watched them. Sure I had seen tons of original DBZ by then, but like Prof. Daravon, it had mostly been on badly subtitled fansubs with a terrible picture. My only good quality were my 3 Pioneer movies, ah how I loved them! The DVDs were fantastic, Steve's subtitles were perfection, and Funi even started putting his "-kuns" and "-sans" back in after a while! I remember at the time trying to figure out how Funi had manaed to get such a great translator and not flubbed it up as they did with everything else. But, ya, that was definitely a very satisfying thing for the fans of the original. :D I wish I had a good memory to do with the web community, but for years I didn't own a computer or have regular access to the internet, so everything I found out about DBZ, I had to get through my own research. It wasn't easy. I had heard about top sites though such as Daizex and Planet Namek and as soon as I got a computer, I was at least able to check out Planet Namek for a really brief period before it was gone and of course, VegettoEX's site had returned. I also visited Chris Psaros' Dragonball Z Uncensored and even though it was a dead site by then, I still enjoyed it. And I had a good laugh over at Meri's Temple 'O Trunks site. And I of course everyone here at the forum are great, and I hope everyone here will have good memories of this place in a couple of years. I know that I definitely will. 8)

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Post by Judau » Thu Jan 29, 2004 9:20 pm

Hmm... where to begin... I guess it started off when I started watching DBZ daily... about 6 years ago, I guess... I had known of anime before hand, and I had been watching Saturday Anime on the Sci-fi channel, and I had seen Akira and Ghost in the Shell. So I started watchng DBZ on Toonami and got pretty much addicted. I had finally gotten my parents to get a friggen' modem, so at the same time I found myself getting addicted to the internet. Combine the two and I quickly found the nice little DBZ community that was to *me* centered around Planet Namek, since that was the site I found first and I thought was the best for me... pretty much a straight up newbie. Plus, I am a big fan of the black with white text, just more my style.

So after months, maybe a good year of browsing through PN, Ginga GIRI GIRI, DaizenshuuEX, Temple 'O' Trunks, and others, I was basically set on the fact that everyone working on the sites were the greatest webmasters ever. I looked for other sites plenty... what did I find? Mostly crap. Which is still the opinion of most anime fans, sadly. And I understand completely when they say such things about the DBZ web community. They just have not seen "the light" like we have. ^_^

Anyway, after a while, Skullmac started Gundam Lounge, and once Gundam Wing aired, I became a Gundam fan and... kind of moved on. I still love DBZ, which is part of the reason I am here, but I am Gundam all the way.

Let's see... certain moments... downloading every video clip from PN (now I think "damn, I was raping their bandwidth >_<") with my high powered, spangled new 56k modem (only getting an average of 20kbps mind you). That held me off till I could get my hands on VHS fansubs... which are now crap. >_< I learned most everything PN had to offer... and I have never seen such a group of site admins ever again... sadly. Its to this day my favorite site... err... former site. And then Gundam Lounge and Kenshin Web went down, and it seems as though all 3 of them fell off the face of the planet.

Ah, and I first started going to Temple 'O' Trunks whenever Mr.E would post about the newest of Meri's "feature films"... ahhh... such fond memories, thanks Meri. ^_^ Heh, I even got the "Bubba Trunks", I saw it like 4 years ago and my eyes just widened... I think my friend thought I was nuts. >_< So then I watched my fansubs and Trunks quickly became my favorite DBZ character, making me a staple at ToT as well.

What I remember most from DaizenshuuEX was the music info and editorials... and I first learned about conventions from EX as well. Now I am a happy Otakon faithful... ^_^

So then I kind of drifted away as I started learning more and more and watching tons of different anime. When I joined up on my first message board in September of 2002 (I can't believe it took me that long, but it did), I met someone who seemed pretty cool, so I joined his board as well. I found he had also visited the same DBZ community years back, rushing back the memories, so then I tried keeping tabs on everything, as much as possible at least considering I was not all that interested in DBZ anymore since I basically was set on it. Anyway, now I am the co-admin on that forum, and basically everyone else is a newbie compared to us. Oh well.

So yeah, some great times, thank you to all of the Webmasters and to all of those who helped out... I can honestly say I would not be the anime fan I am today without the DBZ web community. ^_^
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Post by admin » Thu Jan 29, 2004 9:32 pm

I would also like to add the first time I saw DBZ was when I was probably like 11 (give or take a year or two) years old, a friend of mine from the neighborhood came over and popped in this Japanese animation movie that was subtitled (I later found out it was Movie #13). From then on I hit up my local flea market pretty frequently for some subtitled tapes for rougly $10 a pop, came with a hard/box cover though so it wasn't a total rip-off ;)
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Post by Jerseymilk » Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:22 pm

Josh wrote:
From then on I hit up my local flea market pretty frequently for some subtitled tapes for roughly $10 a pop, came with a hard/box cover though so it wasn't a total rip-off. :wink:
Tsk, naughty flea market vendors, charging money for fansubs! :evil: Ya, I find those same hard-cover tapes for sale in the Chinatown area where I live, and they want $10 for them too. Come on, the picture's crap, heh I'll give ya a buck for it and say I'm being more than generous! :twisted:

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Post by Meri » Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:45 am

Josh wrote:I would also like to add the first time I saw DBZ was when I was probably like 11 (give or take a year or two) years old, a friend of mine from the neighborhood came over and popped in this Japanese animation movie that was subtitled (I later found out it was Movie #13). From then on I hit up my local flea market pretty frequently for some subtitled tapes for rougly $10 a pop, came with a hard/box cover though so it wasn't a total rip-off ;)
Whoa.... you're from New Jersey, right? And you said you got your fansubs from a flea market?

Are you talking about the Route 18 Flea Market?

If so, small world! I went there nearly every weekend from 10th to 12th grade in high school getting my DBZ fansub fix! :D

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Post by Dayspring » Fri Jan 30, 2004 10:20 pm

Man, I had to get S Bladric rips off the net at $12 American instead of $10. (Because taping in SP is much more work on the guy then EP)
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Post by Jerseymilk » Sat Jan 31, 2004 12:11 am

I found those same S. Baldric tapes for about $10-something CAN. in my local Chinatown. Ha ha, you got ripped off more than me! Nyah, nyah nyah, nyah, nyah! :P I hated seeing the stupid message he always put on at the beginning of the credits. "This tape is brought to you by S. Baldric Productions...yada, yada, yada..." Stop covering up the picture! Not that it was that great a picture to be covering up to begin with on my 112th generation tape I'm sure. :( Waaah! The things I've been willing to put up with! It's so pathetic! :cry:
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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:56 am

Sorry, I'm striking the last two irrelevant posts from the topic. This is one that I really, really want to stay not only positive, but absolutely on-topic ^^;;.
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Post by admin » Sat Jan 31, 2004 12:43 pm

Meri wrote:
Josh wrote:I would also like to add the first time I saw DBZ was when I was probably like 11 (give or take a year or two) years old, a friend of mine from the neighborhood came over and popped in this Japanese animation movie that was subtitled (I later found out it was Movie #13). From then on I hit up my local flea market pretty frequently for some subtitled tapes for rougly $10 a pop, came with a hard/box cover though so it wasn't a total rip-off ;)
Whoa.... you're from New Jersey, right? And you said you got your fansubs from a flea market?

Are you talking about the Route 18 Flea Market?

If so, small world! I went there nearly every weekend from 10th to 12th grade in high school getting my DBZ fansub fix! :D
I am def. talking about Route 18 Flea Market! Hah, damn, that IS crazy!! As soon as you enter you hit a right and go all the way down...that guy was alright cause he would at least play the tapes and show you the quality and he had the Super Battle Collection figures which were pretty nice but expensive as well :x
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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Jan 31, 2004 12:58 pm

Just to somewhat kill the conversation for a second...

Meri and I went down to the flea market last weekend (I think) 'cuz we were going to Sam's to pick up stuff and the store next to it (forgot which) to look at couches and chairs 'n stuff for the (future) apartment.

The shady fansub / bootleg place is CLOSED and GONE from the flea-market! Oh no! In its place, there's now a Hong-Kong DVD place that sells bootleg DVDs of all those kung-fu movies and tons of domestic anime boots. From a distance, I thought they were the real DBGT DVDs... but then I saw everything was $7, and saw the contrast on the cover "scans" was pretty bad :P. Go check it out... it's funny as fuck. It's right down the hall from the ol' fansub place, I think.

And now back to our regularly scheduled conversation about happy DB / web times! Yay! Love! Anti-anti stuff!
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Post by omae no kaasan » Sun Feb 01, 2004 12:32 am

Not even close. At about the time of Planet Namek's closing, their maximum on peak days each week was about 33-35,000. Their average was about 23-26,000 daily, with only about 14-19,000 on Tuesdays.
What is your point ^o^ My site was/has been around a great deal longer than PN. Because PN was the most popular fansite at the moment when DBZ boomed in the US does not necessarily mean it should be the basis for all fansites past and present.

We all know the best DB fansites were around way before it was a glimmer in that cursed company's eyes anyway. Three Steps Over the Edge anyone....

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Post by VegettoEX » Sun Feb 01, 2004 1:47 am

3 Steps Over the Edge
Wuken's / Suushinchuu
Raditz's (the QuickTime clips!)
SonGohan's (the MPEG clips!)
JKwok44's
DB Core
What eventually became SuperPope
Junta's DB Headquarters
Daimao's Ep. Guide

First generation right there, baby. "omae no kaasan" (Christ, can we just say your name? :P), SRE, Meri, and myself kinda represent 2nd generation (the former two before the later two), and from there... it's all kinda muddy. That's when ALL the sites started popping up.

Good times... good times...
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Post by Alias » Sun Feb 01, 2004 2:19 am

omae no kaasan wrote:What is your point ^o^ My site was/has been around a great deal longer than PN. Because PN was the most popular fansite at the moment when DBZ boomed in the US does not necessarily mean it should be the basis for all fansites past and present.
I don't recall saying that. I was just rattling off a weird memory that was, for whatever reason, stuck in my head. That's why I added: "Funny how the mind stores away such weird things! ^_^"

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Post by Zackarotto » Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:32 pm

One web memory is the laughter I had reading my first web comic, Little Saiyalings, when it was still hosted on PN. I checked before making this post, and they've started up again. (saiyalings.keenspace.com, I strongly urge you check this out)

Finding Daizex was another great one ("you can't spell Mr. E without small penis either", I think that was it) and I loved the Music Videos above all else.

Oh, and this wasn't too long ago, but...
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I love playing that, thank you Meri.

Edit: Here's one more, reading Somerandomguy's DBZ rewrite. One of the funniest guys on the earth.

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Post by SonGohan-san » Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:42 am

I got have to say that I owe at least 75% of my Dragon Ball knowledge to Greg Werner and his magnificant site. He's the guy who turned me into nothing short of a Dragon Ball purist. And even had me spelling Goku as "Gokou" for a while, despite common sense. I remember thinking, "Well if Greg Werner, the greatest DB savant, spells it that way, then it's good enough for me, dammit." Plus there was the whole, "I'm not going to spell how Funimation wants me to spell it" sentiment brewing in me back in... I guess it was '98. But his wonderful descriptions of the original Dragon Ball series convinced me to go out on to my local comic shop and pay...yes...$20 A POP. You know, like what you pay for a REAL POP. Got five eps a tape, though. And most of them I had to say had fairly good quality. Even though I can go out and get DB dvds now, which is great, don't get me wrong, I miss those old days. I really felt like I was part of something exclusive by owning those tapes considering how elusive the first DB series was at the time.
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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:57 am

Yeah, I remember when I got my first fansubs of the original DragonBall... I thought I was the utter shit. I was soooo happy to replace them on DVD ^^;;.
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Post by Dayspring » Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:03 pm

What sites were up in 1995? I'm all mixed up as to who was "my" first gen now. :oops:
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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:36 pm

Whoops... in the general cleaning-up 'n stuff, I accidentally deleted Gr.. er... "omae no kaasan's" post... my bad!
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