Ocean dub vs Funi Dub

[Metalwario64]

[Except for Kelamis, he got Kaioken right...[/i]

Only in the movies...

In the series it was still "KEIYOKEEEEEN!!" only now 100% more surfer!

And if that qualifies as him getting it right, then Sean Schemmel also got it correct in Burst Limit. He also said his surname "Son" as well.

[The Time Traveller]

[Except for Kelamis, he got Kaioken right...[/i]

Only in the movies...

In the series it was still "KEIYOKEEEEEN!!" only now 100% more surfer!

And if that qualifies as him getting it right, then Sean Schemmel also got it correct in Burst Limit. He also said his surname "Son" as well.

Yeah, but... he pronounced Son as Sun...so HA!

[Metalwario64]

Yeah, but... he pronounced Son as Sun...so HA!

Well, he is Gohan's "grandson" and Baadaku's son after all!

[penguintruth]

I consider the Ocean dub of episodes 108-276 to be superior to all other english versions on DBZ. I am aware I am alone in my opinion, but I truly do.

I'd be interested in seeing some of that.

Didn't the later Ocean dub have music from the Mega Man cartoon?

(It's funny, since Faulconer was busy composing music for DBZ that sounded like the Mega Man video game music.)

[Kendamu]

[Except for Kelamis, he got Kaioken right...[/i]

Only in the movies...

In the series it was still "KEIYOKEEEEEN!!" only now 100% more surfer!

And if that qualifies as him getting it right, then Sean Schemmel also got it correct in Burst Limit. He also said his surname "Son" as well.

I stand with Mike in that the dub for the first three DBZ movies is a completely different entity than the dub for the series and the episodic cut of the third movie (where they censored Tullece holding Gohan's eyes open).

[RogueA007]

I consider the Ocean dub of episodes 108-276 to be superior to all other english versions on DBZ. I am aware I am alone in my opinion, but I truly do.

I'd be interested in seeing some of that.

Didn't the later Ocean dub have music from the Mega Man cartoon?

(It's funny, since Faulconer was busy composing music for DBZ that sounded like the Mega Man video game music.)

Yeah, it had BGM from the old Megaman cartoon. It made me at times mutter things like "Oh gawd, is Cut Man here?"

(Which is hilarious considering you know, Terry Klassen, who is Krillin, was Cut Man, Scott McNeill, who is Piccolo of course, played Dr. Wily and Protoman, and then I always think about how Corlett was both Megaman and Goku! )

My opinion about the dub versions? Pioneer's version of DBZ Movies 1-3 are my favorite dubs by far, I agree that they are a different being than the cut Ocean episodes.

But I did grow up with the Ocean cast, even with the horrid edits of 1-53, it was firmly established in my head that Scott McNeil was Piccolo, Brian Drummond was Vegeta, Kelamis or Corlett could play Goku well, and so forth. The Ocean Group was what I got used to for English, for several years I did not have Cartoon Network on cable or access to the Japanese version, this was back in the days when DBZ was syndicated at odd morning hours on local TV networks.

So, I do tend to gravitate towards Ocean. I never really absolutely HAD to watch Funi's English version like I had to in the early days of my Dragon Ball fandom. By the point I finally got to hear them on Toonami, I also had access to I-Channel, which allowed me to watch DBZ (later DBGT) in its original Japanese, and for years I totally ignored the English version as it broadcasted on TV. What I have seen of Funi's version....I don't really like it, but I don't hate it either. I imagine if I watched more of it, I may get used to them more, but point being, nobody's forcing me to watch DBZ in English anymore.

I have seen a few of the Intl Ocean episodes, and they do tend to at least amuse me because I get to hear familiar voices from the original Ocean cast, but the edits and BGM are noticibly irritating. I will watch this dub now and again for nostalgia's sake, I guess.

[saiyangerl]

So, I do tend to gravitate towards Ocean. I never really absolutely HAD to watch Funi's English version like I had to in the early days of my Dragon Ball fandom. By the point I finally got to hear them on Toonami, I also had access to I-Channel, which allowed me to watch DBZ (later DBGT) in its original Japanese, and for years I totally ignored the English version as it broadcasted on TV. What I have seen of Funi's version....I don't really like it, but I don't hate it either. I imagine if I watched more of it, I may get used to them more, but point being, nobody's forcing me to watch DBZ in English anymore.

I have seen a few of the Intl Ocean episodes, and they do tend to at least amuse me because I get to hear familiar voices from the original Ocean cast, but the edits and BGM are noticibly irritating. I will watch this dub now and again for nostalgia's sake, I guess.

I started watching DBZ late late at night. Not sure what channel it was being aired but I was a major insomniac. That's before it was on Cartoon Network and was done by Ocean. They were already on Namek when I started watching it so it didn't make much sense to me at first but I watched out of curiousity. I had heard about DBZ and wanted to know what the big deal was. Soon the season ended and they repeated the episodes and I got to watch it from the beginning. Being a newly converted/interested fan I of course researched it on the net only to find out to my horror that they were changing the voices! I was definitely outraged and hated them at first but continued watching because I wanted to see DBZ and see what happened. And over time the Funi voices grew on me and I got used to them. So I am accustomed to watching the first 53 episodes as done by Ocean and then the rest of the series by Funi.

[jjgp1112]

I greatly prefer Funi's voices over the Ocean voices. Their dubs are the same, but Funi had better casting choices and the voice actors are actually good.

[Metalwario64]

I greatly prefer Funi's voices over the Ocean voices. Their dubs are the same, but Funi had better casting choices and the voice actors are actually good.

Eh, FUNimations in house dub has much fewer inaccuracies and stupid jokes (Yes, yes, outside of Season Three and most of Four...I'm not saying there aren't any at all), and Baadaku was never a scientist in the non-Ocean version.

FUNimation's is still inaccurate, but they can mention death, and it is more accurate... It is also completely uncut, whereas the Ocean dub cut out whole episodes. That, and now you can watch it with the Japanese music!

Also, now that FUNimation has released the movies with the original score, I prefer their dubs of movies 1 and 2 over the Pioneer counterparts. I feel like the acting is much less stiff and that the actors provide more emotion than the Ocean counterparts. Also the scripts are practically the same as the Pioneer ones.

Movie 3 on the other hand... Why did FUNimation use the botched TV edit dub script as a basis for their Movie 3 re-dub??

[penguintruth]

I greatly prefer Funi's voices over the Ocean voices. Their dubs are the same, but Funi had better casting choices and the voice actors are actually good.

Oh yeah, casting Chris Sabat in nearly every role was a much more solid casting choice. Funimation was really doing a great job giving us several characters with the exact same voice.

Sabat's a regular Mel Blanc. Except, you know, without the talent.

[Metalwario64]

I greatly prefer Funi's voices over the Ocean voices. Their dubs are the same, but Funi had better casting choices and the voice actors are actually good.

Oh yeah, casting Chris Sabat in nearly every role was a much more solid casting choice. Funimation was really doing a great job giving us several characters with the exact same voice.

So he is not allowed to prefer FUNimation's dub? Nice job on attacking someone else's opinion...

Also, Chris Sabat only did most of the voices when FUNimation started out. As the show progressed the talent pool increased. I don't think his roles all sound 100% exactly the same as most of his detractors seem to think... And I've got a good ear as well...

[penguintruth]

I greatly prefer Funi's voices over the Ocean voices. Their dubs are the same, but Funi had better casting choices and the voice actors are actually good.

Oh yeah, casting Chris Sabat in nearly every role was a much more solid casting choice. Funimation was really doing a great job giving us several characters with the exact same voice.

So he is not allowed to prefer FUNimation's dub?

He's allowed to like whatever he wants, but it boggles my mind how Funimation had "better casting choices". The choices were Chris Sabat, Chris Sabat, Chris Sabat, or... oh, that's right, Chris Sabat.

[Metalwario64]

He's allowed to like whatever he wants

Then why the asshole remark when he simply stated his opinion?

And why are you being so defensive over the Ocean dub? He never stated anything negative about it, so why do you feel the need to attack his belief that the FUNimation dub is superior?

[jjgp1112]

Oh yeah, casting Chris Sabat in nearly every role was a much more solid casting choice. Funimation was really doing a great job giving us several characters with the exact same voice.

So he is not allowed to prefer FUNimation's dub?

He's allowed to like whatever he wants, but it boggles my mind how Funimation had "better casting choices". The choices were Chris Sabat, Chris Sabat, Chris Sabat, or... oh, that's right, Chris Sabat.

Dude, that's my freaking opinion. Is it really that wrong for me to think that Chris Sabat's roles fit better? Jesus fucking Christ, man.

Eh, FUNimations in house dub has much fewer inaccuracies and stupid jokes (Yes, yes, outside of Season Three and most of Four...I'm not saying there aren't any at all), and Baadaku was never a scientist in the non-Ocean version.

FUNimation's is still inaccurate, but they can mention death, and it is more accurate... It is also completely uncut, whereas the Ocean dub cut out whole episodes. That, and now you can watch it with the Japanese music!

I was referring to the 108-291 Ocean dub when I said that.

And I completely agree with you about the Movies 1 and 2 dubs. Same script as the Ocean Dub, but much better acted. Peter Kelamis always sounded so terribly cheesy, and Kami's Ocean Dub voice is terrible. And it also had Chris Sabat's best Piccolo performance ever in Movie 1. I also don't understand why people think that all of Sabat's roles sound the same. Sure, there's a certain similarity that all of his voices have, but they still sound different. It actually boggled my mind when I found out how many characters he played. I never would have guessed that Piccolo, Vegeta, and Yamcha all had the same voice actor.

[penguintruth]

He's allowed to like whatever he wants

Then why the asshole remark when he simply stated his opinion?

And why are you being so defensive over the Ocean dub? He never stated anything negative about it, so why do you feel the need to attack his belief that the FUNimation dub is superior?

I didn't intend it as such.

I'd just like to know why he thinks the cast choices and voices were better in the Funimaton dub. What sort of qualities did the Funimation voices have that were better than the Ocean voices?

If, after elaboration, I still disagree, I'll still be satisfied, it'll just be a fundamental difference of opinion.

If you can't elaborate on your opinion, it's not an opinion. It's a reaction.

I'm interested in actually knowing why a person prefers one over the other. I've detailed my own reasons, why can't others?

[jjgp1112]

Why should I have to justify why I like certain things better just because some hardcore Funi-hater doesn't like that I'm saying it's better than a dub that he loves? Do you see me acting the same way towards you because you like the Ocean dub better even though I think that dub is bad? No. So get off my back.

[saiyangerl]

I'm interested in actually knowing why a person prefers one over the other. I've detailed my own reasons, why can't others?

Well I as I have mentioned sort of like both. Basically the way it was aired, the first 53 episodes being Ocean and the rest of the series being Funi. I think Brian Drummond's voice acting for those first 53 episodes was pretty much flawless. Especially the screaming! I have checked out some of the series, what I could find of it, online that was done by Ocean after that and I just think it's alright.

Maybe it's just me but it seems like Brian Drummond's Vegeta voice got even higher. Still like him though. I think there were terrible voice actor choices for other characters by Ocean in the later part of the series. When Funi first took over I don't particularly like those episodes because it is too obviously apparent that they are still getting used to voicing the characters but I think they got used to it and it grew on me over time. Anyways, that's my opinion and my reasons for liking what I like.

[penguintruth]

Why should I have to justify why I like certain things better just because some hardcore Funi-hater doesn't like that I'm saying it's better than a dub that he loves? Do you see me acting the same way towards you because you like the Ocean dub better even though I think that dub is bad? No. So get off my back.

Well, first of all, you shouldn't state an opinion at all if you're unable or unwilling to support it. Nobody wants to read base opinions without support. Well, maybe some do, but I'm hoping the majority of them don't come here.

Second, I'm not a "hardcore Funi-hater" (don't pigeon hole me). I enjoy a few dubs Funimation have put out over the years, such as Yu Yu Hakusho and Darker than Black, and even liked the voices for Androids 17 (Chuck Huber) and 18 (Meredith McCoy) in the Funimation DBZ dub.

Third, you'd have no reason to act that way to me, because I've gone into great detail about my opinion of the dubs (I wrote a whole damn article about it for my blog), and am quite willing to further expand on it, because otherwise I wouldn't have expressed my opinion at all.

This forum should, at least, be more sophisticated than making obtuse comments on a YouTube video, and ideally, two people with differing opinions should be sporting and allow for detailed debate, rather than stating base reactions. Otherwise, what is the purpose?

However, if I have offended you, I apologize, because I didn't intend to. I'm merely interested in knowing why one person prefers one over the other. Since you have gone into better detail in other posts, I have no reason to continue asking you, but I still disagree about Sabat.

Also, I want to thank saiyangerl for her answer.

[JulieYBM]

Sabat only did 35+ voices because FUNimation only had...twelve people. Nowadays (or for a hopeful new dub), Sabat would probably be cast in all of one or two roles.

The Ocean isn't much better. Scott McNeil and Terry Klassen both wound up playing a dozen characters in the end.

[penguintruth]

Sabat only did 35+ voices because FUNimation only had...twelve people. Nowadays (or for a hopeful new dub), Sabat would probably be cast in all of one or two roles.

The Ocean isn't much better. Scott McNeil and Terry Klassen both wound up playing a dozen characters in the end.

That's true. And Brian Drummond played both Vegeta and Yajirobe, if I remember right.

I just felt like it was more obvious with Sabat. In my opinion, if he had concentrated on Vegeta from the beginning, he might've been a lot better, instead of improving so slowly. But as you've said, they didn't really have that many people.

But then that begs the question, why did they bother doing it in house if they had even less folks than Ocean did?