No, DragonBall didn't air here, sadly.linkdude20002001 wrote:Dank!
Did Dragon Ball air there too? And by "switching back and forth" did you mean during the Cell and Majin-Boo arcs it would switch between The Ocean Group and FUNimation?
Well at least you got Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball GT, I guess. Lol. Thank ya! I assumed it as you said, but I just wanted to make sure. And now I do. ^_^Casual Matt wrote:Well, I'm in Canada so I got the Ocean cast FUNi Dub of seasons 1 and 2 like the states, and switched to the In House Texan FUNi dub for season 3 like the states, but near the end of the Cell Games YTV switched back to the Ocean cast for the rest of Z.
If that's not inconsistent enough, we got the Canadian Blue Water dub of the original series and GT. Which aired simultaneously after Z had finished.
So basically if you took everything aired on Canadian TV and put it in the actual episode order, you'd go Blue Water, Ocean, FUNi, Ocean, Blue Water.
It did switch back. I remember that we had the entire Super Buu arc in FUNimation dub, and I was pissed off when it changed back to Ocean again when Kid Buu destroyed the planet (at the time, I enjoyed the music of FUNi more than Ocean's).linkdude20002001 wrote:Damn. Dragon Ball's the best part.
And so you're saying that once it switched to The Ocean Group during the Android arc, it didn't switch back to FUNi? I heard that in some countries, it would switch between the two at random every couple days.
Well at least you got Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball GT, I guess. Lol. Thank ya! I assumed it as you said, but I just wanted to make sure. And now I do. ^_^Casual Matt wrote:Well, I'm in Canada so I got the Ocean cast FUNi Dub of seasons 1 and 2 like the states, and switched to the In House Texan FUNi dub for season 3 like the states, but near the end of the Cell Games YTV switched back to the Ocean cast for the rest of Z.
If that's not inconsistent enough, we got the Canadian Blue Water dub of the original series and GT. Which aired simultaneously after Z had finished.
So basically if you took everything aired on Canadian TV and put it in the actual episode order, you'd go Blue Water, Ocean, FUNi, Ocean, Blue Water.
Though I am not from the UK, I was very aware of what was going in with the dub at the time in various countries. I remember what happened with the whole "switching back and forth" thing.Blade wrote:I'm from the UK, and if memory serves correctly the English dubs which our various incarnations of Toonami aired were shown in this order:
Dragonball Z:
Saiyan/Namek Saga - Saban/Funimation Dub
Freeza - Trunks Saga - Funimation Dub
Android - Majin Buu Saga - Ocean Group Dub
Fusion Saga - Funimation Dub *
Fusion Saga - Kid Buu Saga - Ocean Group Dub
Dragonball GT - Blue Water Studios Dub
Dragonball - Blue Water Studios Dub
Dragonball Z Movies 1 - ? (I gave up after 6, this dub was awful) - "Wolf" Studios dub (AKA 'The Big Green' Dub)
* I have no idea why the Funimation dub returned for the "Fusion Saga", only to be succeeded once more by the Ocean Group Dub for the Kid Buu saga and subsequent repeats of the "Fusion Saga".
That's interesting, I never knew why the Funimation dub randomly re-surfaced for the "Fusion Saga", airing once, and then completely dissapeared from any re-runs, being replaced once more with the Ocean Group Dub. I do, however, have an old email from Cartoon Network explaining that a disagreement between them and Funimation was the original reason why "The voices changed" at the start of the Android Saga (which may I add took a long time to make its way over here, the Frieza saga must have been repeated in it's entirety 4 or 5 times).Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:Though I am not from the UK, I was very aware of what was going in with the dub at the time in various countries. I remember what happened with the whole "switching back and forth" thing.Blade wrote:I'm from the UK, and if memory serves correctly the English dubs which our various incarnations of Toonami aired were shown in this order:
Dragonball Z:
Saiyan/Namek Saga - Saban/Funimation Dub
Freeza - Trunks Saga - Funimation Dub
Android - Majin Buu Saga - Ocean Group Dub
Fusion Saga - Funimation Dub *
Fusion Saga - Kid Buu Saga - Ocean Group Dub
Dragonball GT - Blue Water Studios Dub
Dragonball - Blue Water Studios Dub
Dragonball Z Movies 1 - ? (I gave up after 6, this dub was awful) - "Wolf" Studios dub (AKA 'The Big Green' Dub)
* I have no idea why the Funimation dub returned for the "Fusion Saga", only to be succeeded once more by the Ocean Group Dub for the Kid Buu saga and subsequent repeats of the "Fusion Saga".
Originally in the UK, DBZ aired on Cartoon Network UK, and it had been the Ocean dub from English episodes 108-238. After that, the airing of the show was switched over to a new channel, CNX (which didn't end up lasting too long), and they started off with the FUNimation dub with episode 239. However, people complained, and thus the Ocean dub was brought back. They even purchased the Ocean versions of "Fusion Saga" episodes that had previously aired, FUNi-style, to air them on repeat runs.
As for me, I'm Canadian, and we had the FUNi dub until the Cell Games (English episode 167) at which point we switched over to the Ocean dub with 168 and continued onward to the end of the series. Subsequently, we got the Blue Water versions of DBGT and DB.
Not exactly, the UK Cartoon Network used to be very similar to the United States version, in that whatever was shown States-side would eventually make it's way over here. Everything was the same, from the shows all the way to the Toonami CGI robot-thing. CNX was launched as a spin-off channel by Cartoon Network, to focus on Anime and more adult orientated shows, but it didn't last very long and the channel itself was soon renamed to Toonami. After Dragonball Z ended and viewing started to go down, Toonami relaunched itself going for a more child friendly approach, but it failed to draw in new viewers, so eventually the seperate Toonami channel was renamed to "Cartoon Network Too" and changed its programming to be synonomous with the normal Cartoon Network channel.linkdude20002001 wrote:Thanks Blade and Dark Vegeta-Sama! So the switching was because of the show switching to a different station, huh? Now it makes more sense.
I can't be entirely sure that is the name of the company who dubbed the movies for UK audiences, but I know for a fact that "Wolf" were the company responsible for distributing them on DVD (I am ashamed to say I own their version of "Dead Zone"). On Youtube the dub is often lampooned for it's shoddyness, and is usually called "The big green dub" or "unknown UK dub".linkdude20002001 wrote:Blade, where did you get the name "'Wolf' Studios" from? I've never heard of them.
What county?Lance Freeman wrote:A combination of Ocean for the Saiyan and Namek saga, Funi for the Freeza through Cell, and Ocean again for Cell Games and Buu.
And Ocean for the original Dragon Ball and GT.
At least I THINK it was Ocean... which ever the GOOD English GT dub was.
The reason The Ocean Group's dub was replaced was because FUNimation decided to do the dubbing themselves (using The Ocean Group was too costly for them at the time).Krazy Monkey wrote:In my country (which of course, is America), the Ocean Dub of Dragon Ball Z aired first, and for unexplained reasons, they stopped airing that one, and replaced it with the FUNimation dub. At first, I really hated Krillin's voice in the FUNimation dub, and I didn't like Vegeta's very much either, but I ended up getting used to them over the years.
Hmm... I see. That's kinda confusing. Lol. Thanks.Blade wrote:Not exactly, the UK Cartoon Network used to be very similar to the United States version, in that whatever was shown States-side would eventually make it's way over here. Everything was the same, from the shows all the way to the Toonami CGI robot-thing. CNX was launched as a spin-off channel by Cartoon Network, to focus on Anime and more adult orientated shows, but it didn't last very long and the channel itself was soon renamed to Toonami. After Dragonball Z ended and viewing started to go down, Toonami relaunched itself going for a more child friendly approach, but it failed to draw in new viewers, so eventually the seperate Toonami channel was renamed to "Cartoon Network Too" and changed its programming to be synonomous with the normal Cartoon Network channel.
That's very interesting. I didn't know that movie was released in the UK. Movies 2, 3, and 4 were released by Warner Vision, but that's all. Could you take a picture of it or something? I'm really interested in seeing it.Blade wrote:I can't be entirely sure that is the name of the company who dubbed the movies for UK audiences, but I know for a fact that "Wolf" were the company responsible for distributing them on DVD (I am ashamed to say I own their version of "Dead Zone"). On Youtube the dub is often lampooned for it's shoddyness, and is usually called "The big green dub" or "unknown UK dub".
A "disagreement" with FUNimation is also why YTV (the channel that aired DBZ in Canada) switched over to the Ocean dub as well, albeit much later than those of you in Europe. FUNi was shortchanging YTV and sending them fewer episodes at a time than they were giving Cartoon Network USA despite paying the same amount or more (i.e. for broadcast season 4, Cartoon Network USA received and aired English episodes 103-179, which comprised of the entire Trunks/Android/Cell arc from beginning to end, while YTV only received episodes 103-167, missing the last 12 episodes from their order for no particular reason).Blade wrote:That's interesting, I never knew why the Funimation dub randomly re-surfaced for the "Fusion Saga", airing once, and then completely dissapeared from any re-runs, being replaced once more with the Ocean Group Dub. I do, however, have an old email from Cartoon Network explaining that a disagreement between them and Funimation was the original reason why "The voices changed" at the start of the Android Saga (which may I add took a long time to make its way over here, the Freeza saga must have been repeated in it's entirety 4 or 5 times).
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That does make a lot of sense and fits in perfectly with the fragments of the overall picture that I was previously aware of.Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:A "disagreement" with FUNimation is also why YTV (the channel that aired DBZ in Canada) switched over to the Ocean dub as well, albeit much later than those of you in Europe. FUNi was shortchanging YTV and sending them fewer episodes at a time than they were giving Cartoon Network USA despite paying the same amount or more (i.e. for broadcast season 4, Cartoon Network USA received and aired English episodes 103-179, which comprised of the entire Trunks/Android/Cell arc from beginning to end, while YTV only received episodes 103-167, missing the last 12 episodes from their order for no particular reason).Blade wrote:That's interesting, I never knew why the Funimation dub randomly re-surfaced for the "Fusion Saga", airing once, and then completely dissapeared from any re-runs, being replaced once more with the Ocean Group Dub. I do, however, have an old email from Cartoon Network explaining that a disagreement between them and Funimation was the original reason why "The voices changed" at the start of the Android Saga (which may I add took a long time to make its way over here, the Freeza saga must have been repeated in it's entirety 4 or 5 times).
Additionally, Ocean's independent dub, being a cheaper production than FUNimation's, was available to the networks for less money. As such, YTV went with them for the remainder of the series, English episodes 168-276. They really should have gone with them from episode 108 (the first episode Ocean began dubbing with), given that it was a Canadian production, but my assumption is that those episodes simply were not available yet. I do recall that the Trunks episodes aired here in Canada in September/October 2000, and those same episodes only first aired Ocean-style over in Europe in early 2001, so that would tend to suggest that they were indeed still a few months away from being available.
Unfortunately, YTV never purchased the Ocean versions of episodes 108-167, so we would always get the FUNi version of those episodes in reruns. I've always wanted to see those, but with the exception of some clips online from back in the day, I still never have in their entirety.
Also, one final note, the Ocean dub was specifically created for international audiences due to the negative reaction that fans had to FUNi's voice casting changes in season 3. People were not happy with the new voices, particularly outside of America, and due to some legal loophole the Ocean/Canadian dub was able to be produced despite Canada being a part of FUNi's jurisdiction as far as Dragonball licensing goes. Unfortunately, this also means that the Ocean dub has never and likely will never be released anywhere on DVD. It would seem that it could theoretically be released in certain segments of the European market, but given that AB Groupe is in charge of that, and usually only caters to their native market in France, this is rather unlikely.
Yes, there was definitely some co-operation between the later Ocean dub and FUNimation. The scripts were basically identical, with just a few word changes here and there, and Ocean's dub used FUNi's video tracks. FUNimation was probably more involved with the later Ocean dub than they would be willing to admit, and I have no doubt that, if they ever wanted to for some reason, they could release it on DVD. They never would, but the point is, they could.Blade wrote:That does make a lot of sense and fits in perfectly with the fragments of the overall picture that I was previously aware of.
Although, one thing which I've heard on more than one occasion is that both the Ocean Dub and the Funimation Dub used pretty much the exact same English scripts, so I always assumed there was a level of co-operation between the two companies. Is it possible that the reason why the Ocean Group dub was created and sold in areas where Funimation owned the rights was due to a fee being paid to Funimation by Ocean Group to allow production and distribution?
