Trunks vs Cooler

[Perfect]

Freeza at 100% could at least make Goku bleed. Coola's attacks didn't even faze him. His Supernova the only thing that came close to damaging him. I doubt the margin is all that different from the "120,000,000 to 150,000,000" on Namek.

[Savage68]

I've seen you use that argument before, but wouldn't that only work if Cooler knew the exact power of Freeza's 100% final form?

Yep. There's no reason why he wouldn't. Quiet, Dayspring.

But either way you slice it (and even if you remove Coola from the scene for a bit) - Yardrat Goku still had two jumps in power during the course of Movie 5 (one of them huge...), and he still couldn't bring himself to resist Coola's signature technique. And Goku was already superior to Trunks upon landing on Earth, so there's no room to argue for his alleged inability to one-shot the kid in this movie's continuity. I mean, really, did the gap in power even seem to be that large between the two when all was said and done? Coola's punch (to SSJ Goku) looked like it had hardly any force behind it, and he simply laughed off Goku's two-hit combo, which wasn't dissimilar to Goku's laughter after 100% Freeza was allowed to get in a powerful-looking blow. If Coola was so pathetically weak, Goku would've pulled a "Base Vegetto" with the Supernova.

[LeprikanGT]

Assuming you mean just catch it and run 'towards him' with it? If he did that there woudn't have been enough force to knock him back into the sun.

[Savage68]

The point was that he could've done that, had he wanted to, assuming that his advantage over Coola was really as high as some believe it to be... It was more of a joke than anything.

[Senzu_Bean]

Well if the known battle powers are indeed officially then Goku was barely under 200,000 before he got the Zenkai in the movie. After that is anyone's guess.

[Savage68]

What 'known' battle powers do you mean? Because Goku would had to have to started above 3,000,000.

[Senzu_Bean]

What 'known' battle powers do you mean? Because Goku would had to have to started above 3,000,000.

Sauzer, Neiz and Dore battle powers. And why would Goku have to started above 3,000,000?

[Savage68]

Sauza, Neiz and Dore's battle powers were listed in an issue of V-Jump that's never been confirmed to exist. It was omitted from Kanzentai's Battle Power Guide, so it obviously isn't very reliable info (and the movie itself contradicts the list). And as for Goku: His battle power was 3,000,00 on Namek, right? Combine that with Roshi's mention of him getting stronger since he returned to Earth, and there ya go. His base BP was above 3,000,000 from the get-go.

[Senzu_Bean]

You're mistaken with Cooler's battle power. Here it is:

1991
Shortly before the premiere of DragonBall Z Movie 5 in 1991, Weekly Jump published a special section on this movie, which featured elaborate background information on Coola's three henchmen from the movie. Among this information is supposed to be their battle powers, according to the Japanese Wikipedia page for this movie. While we have unfortunately been unable to locate this specific issue of Weekly Jump, all of the other background information on Coola's henchmen that it is supposed to be contained has been confirmed in various official guides, so it seems reasonable that these battle powers are also official.

Sauzer: 170,000 – Neiz: 163,000 – Dore: 185,000

And as for Goku: His battle power was 3,000,00 on Namek, right? Combine that with Roshi's mention of him getting stronger since he returned to Earth, and there ya go. His base BP was above 3,000,000 from the get-go.

Goku left Earth with a battle power of over 8,000. He then returns and is almost 200,000. This is a getting stronger! And like I said if those battle powers are indeed officially (which they probably are) then Goku is bellow 200,000, considering Dore was show to be stronger than him.

[LeprikanGT]

Not that I don't believe those numbers for Cooler's henchmen...but odd that the main one of them isn't the strongest. Did Dore ever use any ki attacks?

[Senzu_Bean]

Dore is brute strength. It even says so in his is officially bio.

[Savage68]

Ah, yes. Weekly Jump's battle powers. Well, from every point I try to look at them, they're a complete load.

First of all, Dore was overwhelmed by a ki blast from Piccolo, whereas Sauza deflected two of the same attack, and went on to prove himself to be more of a challenge than any of Coola's other soldiers.

Sauza was stronger than Dore.

And secondly, Piccolo's post-Namek battle power would be over a million, since he was stronger than the "over a million" 2nd form Freeza. And Goku, who was even stronger than him (which is what, like ... over 10x stronger than Sauza now, according to those figures?) was smiled at after using a kiai (or whatever) on Sauza/Neiz/Dore, landing a physical blow, being restrained by one of them, and taking some time and effort to deflect a ki blast from Sauza. Together, they're strong enough to cause Goku trouble. And Goku's superior to Piccolo, who's battle power is over a million.

Goku's battle power was well over a million.

So, unless you're arguing for every Z-Fighter in Movie 5 having their powers toned down considerably, Jump got their info wrong. Again.

Goku left Earth with a battle power of over 8,000. He then returns and is almost 200,000.

Daizenshuu 6 says that Movie 5 takes place after Trunks appears. So, the events on Namek still took place. And since Dore thinks that it's impossible to survive Coola's destructive beams, yet was corrected on that (by Coola himself) - it's pretty obvious that Goku wasn't weaker than anyone besides Coola, prior to the zenkai.

[Senzu_Bean]

So, unless you're arguing for every Z-Fighter in Movie 5 having their powers toned down considerably, Jump got their info wrong.

Yep, I am. It isn't like the movies follow the main story. Do I have to mention the battle powers listed on movie 3?

[Nazi Cola]

Goku was heavily implied to be suppressed when they first encountered him too.

Doore: "Who are you!?"

Goku: "I'm Son Goku! Let go of my Gohan!"

Salza: "Son Goku? That means you're the one who beat Freeza-sama?"

Doore: "So, you're the one?"

Neiz: "No great battle power here."

Salza: "He probably raises his battle power momentarily. We'll know soon enough once we test him."

[Senzu_Bean]

Salza's line implies Goku fought them at full-power though.

[Perfect]

Proof that Coola was weaker than 1% Freeza:
-I beat Coola as 1% Freeza in Tenkaichi Budokai 3.

[Kid Buu]

My money is on Trunks, SSJ.

Proof that Coola was weaker than 1% Freeza:
-I beat Coola as 1% Freeza in Tenkaichi Budokai 3.

Yeah but I beat Coola with Yamcha.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I seem to recall reading on MFG that there was a magazine that had (Final Form) Cooler's power level listed at 420,000,000 or something like that. Does anyone else remember this?

[Perfect]

I seem to recall reading on MFG that there was a magazine that had (Final Form) Cooler's power level listed at 420,000,000 or something like that. Does anyone else remember this?

It was never confirmed, there was never a scan.

[Kid Buu]

I don't believe Cooler was that much stronger than Freeza.

How would guys rank Metal Cooler in this?