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Re: Dragon Ball Z VizBig Manga Dissection/Review

Post by rereboy » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:24 am

MCDaveG wrote:Eeeeeh, I was redirected here since I thought there are english Kanzenbans and this is probably the closest...... thing..... to them :(
I thought the censorship, edits, dialogues will be much much much better then in Tankobon format and I'm vastly dissapointed.
These books are really awful in my opinion.
I've already answered this in the other topic, but I'll also post my answer here, in case you miss it.
Actually, they are not:

- Their censorship is minimal and not intrusive at all;
- the translation is virtually always accurate (even though its not, some times, a literal translation, its transmits virtually always what the original implies accurately);
- the paper and print quality is of high quality;
- they have the same size, in frame, as the Kanzenban;
- they have most of the original color pages printed in color (original colors);
- they have all the Toriyama comments and the "Toriyama ask me anything corner" and some extra art;
- and, finally, they are very, very cheap. Its price is almost unbeatable and is much cheaper than the Tankobon collection.

If you don't like them because they are not uncensored, I understand, but don't say they are "awful" because they are actually pretty good.

In my honest opinion, just because the Gollancz volumes have a quality of print and paper thats isn't very good (like you stated), I would consider the Vizbigs superior to them by a long shot... Who cares if it is uncensored if the print and paper are not good?
And since you already have all of the japanese Tankobon, the visual edits should't bother you at all since you already have all of the manga uncensored. What interests you in the english collection, is the fact that its written in english... The Vizbigs are written in english, their collection is complete, they are cheaper than the other collections and they have most of the original color pages in color which is a nice bonus.

In fact, since you already have all of the manga uncensored, it would be interesting to have a collection with a few edits just to see the differences. I speak from experience since I also have the Vizbigs and uncensored volumes. The censorship doesn't bother me at all since its minimal, its not intrusive and I have uncensored volumes of other collections. I`m not missing anything and like I said, its actually interesting.

So, in fact, the Vizbigs are actually, in my honest opinion, what you should be looking for. The visual edits should only bother you if you didn't have all of the uncensored volumes already.

I think you are letting your "prejudice" regarding censorship (no matter how small it is) get in the way of actually getting the collection with most advantages to you.

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Re: Dragon Ball Z VizBig Manga Dissection/Review

Post by MCDaveG » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:01 am

Hmm, that's a word rereboy. You really are making me to reconsider my mind for buying these things.
The question is, if my pride remains and I won't invest my money into this ''faulty'' product or I will buy it anyway.
I hate US manga/anime products really much. When I want something I know as Japanese version, my only option to get it physically is US localization, because it's cheaper and contains familiar language but the biggest flaws are that almost everything imported and localized from Japan is altered for US audience so it's not anymore the original version I know.
Also it's somewhat embarrassing for me to buy comic books edited for kids when I'm 22 and I never completely understood those issues why it is censored.
So it will be some longer thinking then usual, because my funds aren't bottomless and I don't wanna end with Vizbigs in my bookshelf threatening my usual good mood.
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Post by rereboy » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:13 am

Well, like you said, you are learning Japanese. There will come a day when you will be able to read perfectly well your japanese Tankobon collection.

So, its in your interest not to spend too much money on a second collection. So, if you want an english collection, the Vizbigs are the cheapest there is.

And besides that, like I said, they are already complete, they have high quality print and paper, many color pages in color (which you don`t have) and a good english translation (which, some times, isn't a literal translation, but it does virtually always transmits the reader what the original implied). The censorship, like I said, isn't a factor, since its minimal, not intrusive and you already have the uncensored volumes anyway. So, because of all this, the Vizbigs are a much better choice than the Gollancz manga.

But its your choice... I'm just trying to help. :mrgreen: Sorry if I'm repeating myself.

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Post by MCDaveG » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:35 am

Yeah, that's why you put bug inside my head :)
Damn, you should make a great salesman :D
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Post by SylentEcho » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:00 am

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Which Kanzenban volume is this from?

Edit:
Nevermind, I found out. It's from volume 9. Hehe. :lol:

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Post by dprez » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:55 pm

HaHa wow.

I didn't know the original manga had naked Bulma :shock:

Another reason why Japan is awesome.

:lol: Ol' Mr. Toriyama, you're so naughty :lol:

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Post by TripleRach » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:19 pm

SylentEcho wrote:http://www.hcphotohost.com/photos/7aff4 ... 67d08f.jpg

Which Kanzenban volume is this from?

Edit:
Nevermind, I found out. It's from volume 9. Hehe. :lol:
It's from tankoubon volume 9, but in the kanzenban version it's volume 7.
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Post by Akumaito Beam » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:05 pm

dprez wrote:HaHa wow.

I didn't know the original manga had naked Bulma :shock:

Another reason why Japan is awesome.

:lol: Ol' Mr. Toriyama, you're so naughty :lol:
I've always found it interesting how even Japan in the 80's wasn't super cool with this scene in terms of an anime adaptation. Her bare breasts were on screen for literally seconds. I've always wondered what was up with that. If I had to guess it might have been because she was forced into flashing Roshi as opposed to choosing to do it.

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Post by Puto » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:42 pm

"literally seconds?" You mean "literally one frame," right? Because seconds is actually quite a long time for a character's breasts to be shown :P
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Post by dprez » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:59 pm

So I must assume that the blue bricks have that scene edited of course...

Makes me wonder if a possible Dragon Box release for Dragon Ball would have that scene unaltered.

When I read the Dragon Ball manga and saw those panels, with soap bubbles covering Bulma and her with a bra, I thought that was how Akira Toriyama original drew it, for censorship issues or w/e. Now I know that he drew those scenes realistically and truthfully. More respect to Mr. Toriyama for that one, something that could've never been done here in the boring states.

Funny seeing naked tits in a comic for young boys, but hey I guess that makes perfect sense :lol:

Japan FTW!!!
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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:00 pm

dprez wrote:So I must assume that the blue bricks have that scene edited of course...
No, FUNimation does not visually edit their release of anything in the DragonBall franchise, and has not done so for years upon years upon years.
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Post by dprez » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:01 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
dprez wrote:So I must assume that the blue bricks have that scene edited of course...
No, FUNimation does not visually edit their release of anything in the DragonBall franchise, and has not done so for years upon years upon years.

haha nice one... wasn't like I was actually asking though...
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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:03 pm

Am I missing something? There's no joke there. All of their home releases are unedited, and have been since 1999 on VHS and 2000 on DVD (with some edited versions alongside the unedited versions for a couple years after that).

That's, of course, separate from edited versions slapped together for TV broadcast here in North America... but that's not what you asked about.
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Post by dprez » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:04 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Am I missing something? There's no joke there. All of their home releases are unedited, and have been since 1999 on VHS and 2000 on DVD (with some edited versions alongside the unedited versions for a couple years after that).

That's, of course, separate from edited versions slapped together for TV broadcast here in North America... but that's not what you asked about.
So you're telling me the blue bricks show a naked Bulma... :|

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Post by Puto » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:08 pm

Yes, they do. But since it's just one frame, you don't really see it unless you pause the video in the exact spot.
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Post by Pokewhiz7 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:08 pm

dprez wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:Am I missing something? There's no joke there. All of their home releases are unedited, and have been since 1999 on VHS and 2000 on DVD (with some edited versions alongside the unedited versions for a couple years after that).

That's, of course, separate from edited versions slapped together for TV broadcast here in North America... but that's not what you asked about.
So your telling me the blue bricks show a naked Bulma... :|
Yes. For a single frame.
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Post by dprez » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:10 pm

Ahhhh, very cool 8)

Didn't realize FUNimation could be cool about something like this, and actually not touch or alter any scene with these releases, especially ones that show nudity.

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Post by The Tori-bot » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:16 pm

dprez wrote:Ahhhh, very cool 8)

Didn't realize FUNimation could be cool about something like this, and actually not touch or alter any scene with these releases, especially ones that show nudity.
It'd be pretty hard to market them as "uncut" if they did.
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Post by SylentEcho » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:22 am

It's from tankoubon volume 9
tankoubon is the Viz English translated version right?

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Post by Rukura » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:57 am

dprez wrote:Ahhhh, very cool 8)

Didn't realize FUNimation could be cool about something like this, and actually not touch or alter any scene with these releases, especially ones that show nudity.
Besides, Toei themselves "censured" it enough from how Bulma's nude scenes are in the manga that there was no need to visually censure it in the west (little boy penis covered by leaves and bushes references aside)
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