Boo Saga Plot Holes/Inconsistencies

[Senzu_Bean]

Dabura was said to be equal to Cell. However Cell received a zenkai, where before he could fight a SSJ now he is a match for SSJ2.

Goku estimates Dabura and Cell are about the same. However later, after seen his true ability, he corrects himself and says Dabura is even stronger.

Or does any Databook clarify this?

Daizenshuu says Dabura fought Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and hints that he was one too against Majin Buu.

[caejones]

... o_o

I was hoping this thread would be about actual inconsistencies, and not more circular strength debates.

Great Elder, why do so many people care so much about what form Gohan was against Dab'ra? -_-

[Nippolyte]

Plot hole/Inconsistency - Everyone that's eaten by Buu dies (Yamcha, Dabura, Krillin, etc.) But when Good Buu is eaten by Evil Buu (the skinny grey one), he gets absorbed, as we later see him unconscious inside of Buuhan. I thought Buu only used his skin to absorb others.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Plot hole/Inconsistency - Everyone that's eaten by Buu dies (Yamcha, Dabura, Krillin, etc.) But when Good Buu is eaten by Evil Buu (the skinny grey one), he gets absorbed, as we later see him unconscious inside of Buuhan. I thought Buu only used his skin to absorb others.

Not an inconsistency. Goku and Vegeta bring this up while inside Super Buu, and the Majin makes note that the Fat Buu was a special case.

[Rocketman]

Daizenshuu says Dabura fought Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and hints that he was one too against Majin Buu.

Daizenshuu also says Gohan was never an SS2 after the Tournament.

[Senzu_Bean]

Daizenshuu says Dabura fought Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and hints that he was one too against Majin Buu.

Daizenshuu also says Gohan was never an SS2 after the Tournament.

Just like it says an adult Goku doesn't appear after ch.22? Or that Super Vegetto appears after ch.42? Or that Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks appears after ch.41? Or that Super Saiyan 2nd Grade Vegeta appears after ch.32? Etc, etc, etc.

But the only thing that Daizenshuu says is HIGH SCHOOL ERA Gohan only goes Super Saiyan 2 at the tournament. Nevertheless the Daizenshuu says Gohan used Super Saiyan 2 against Dabra and hints that he used it against Majin Buu.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Oh, here's a legitimate mistake, that dbgtFO reminded me of in another topic: Vegetto calls Boo's Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack "a child's move," or some such thing. Problem is, neither Goku nor Vegeta ever saw that technique, because Gotenks was in the Room of Spirit and Time!

[rereboy]

Dabura was said to be equal to Cell. However Cell received a zenkai, where before he could fight a SSJ now he is a match for SSJ2.

Goku estimates Dabura and Cell are about the same. However later, after seen his true ability, he corrects himself and says Dabura is even stronger.

Goku says: "So, he uses magic, huh? He`s tougher than I thought."

Dabura is tougher than Goku thought because Dabura is able to use other kinds of magic besides his stone spit, not because he was stronger than Goku estimated.

Oh, here's a legitimate mistake, that dbgtFO reminded me of in another topic: Vegetto calls Boo's Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack "a child's move," or some such thing. Problem is, neither Goku nor Vegeta ever saw that technique, because Gotenks was in the Room of Spirit and Time!

Vegeta was able to see Goku`s SSJ3 even though Goku was on another "dimension", the dimension of the living.
Its not that far-fetched that he also was able to see what was going on the ROSAT the same way he saw Goku transform on Earth.

[Rocketman]

Oh, here's a legitimate mistake, that dbgtFO reminded me of in another topic: Vegetto calls Boo's Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack "a child's move," or some such thing. Problem is, neither Goku nor Vegeta ever saw that technique, because Gotenks was in the Room of Spirit and Time!

Vegetto knew that move was too retarded for Buu or Piccolo to have come up with it and Gohan is incapable of inventing his own attacks.

[Senzu_Bean]

Goku says: "So, he uses magic, huh? He`s tougher than I thought."

Stronger. He says stronger. And the magic part isn't part of the "even stronger" sentence.

Vegeta was able to see Goku`s SSJ3 even though Goku was on another "dimension", the dimension of the living.
Its not that far-fetched that he also was able to see what was going on the ROSAT the same way he saw Goku transform on Earth.

Elder Kaioshin had to create a magic ball for Goku to see what is happening.

[Fox666]

Oh, here's a legitimate mistake, that dbgtFO reminded me of in another topic: Vegetto calls Boo's Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack "a child's move," or some such thing. Problem is, neither Goku nor Vegeta ever saw that technique, because Gotenks was in the Room of Spirit and Time!

Vegetto knew that move was too retarded for Buu or Piccolo to have come up with it and Gohan is incapable of inventing his own attacks.

I think he simply said it was a stupid attack. "Child move" is only a way of saying it.

[Dorexx]

Oh, here's a legitimate mistake, that dbgtFO reminded me of in another topic: Vegetto calls Boo's Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack "a child's move," or some such thing. Problem is, neither Goku nor Vegeta ever saw that technique, because Gotenks was in the Room of Spirit and Time!

Gotenks (SSj3) also used it when he was fighting Super Buu outside. (anime only)

[Godo]

I just want to throw it out there, as this question has been gnawing me for a long time.
What difference does it make which form Gohan used against Dabra? It doesn't change one single thing.
I mean, Boo would still own Gohan, whether he was a SSJ or a SSJ2.
And it doesn't matter what power Dabra has. If he is at the level of a SSJ, then it does make sense that Goku and Vegeta didn't take him seriously.
If he is at the level of a SSJ2, it still makes sense, since Goku and Vegeta were still stronger than him and would defeat him easily (since they surpassed SSJ2 Gohan from the Cell Games).

[rereboy]

Goku says: "So, he uses magic, huh? He`s tougher than I thought."

Stronger. He says stronger. And the magic part isn't part of the "even stronger" sentence.

Yeah, stronger in the sense that he is more resourceful and therefore a more difficult opponent, not that he has a bigger Ki than he thought.
Goku is clearly speaking of his magic in that sentence, since he says in one text balloon "So he uses magic" and right in the next text balloon, without it being interrupted by anything, he says "he`s tougher/stronger than I thought". The two text ballons are even in the same panel, by the way. So he clearly is speaking about his magic. And magic is not Ki. But it can make you more dangerous as an opponent, more formidable, "stronger" overall.

Take two fighters with the exactly the same level of Ki and power. But one of them has magic that rivals that of Babibi. Who is stronger? Who will win? The one with magic of course. He ends up being the more powerful one of the two, the "stronger" of the two, simply because of his magic, even though they have the same Ki. The magic gives him an advantage that is independent of his Ki but that is a factor when we are considering how powerful or strong a character is overall.

[Senzu_Bean]

Even if such thing were true, which I admit it can be, that doesn't make Dabura any weaker than Cell is.

[rereboy]

Even if such thing were true that doesn't make Dabura any weaker than Cell is.

Of course not. He is around Cell`s power.

I was merely pointing out that Goku was talking about Dabura`s magic, he wasn`t saying that he made a mistake when he estimated Dabura`s Ki to be around Cell`s earlier.

[Bussani]

I think he simply said it was a stupid attack. "Child move" is only a way of saying it.

In Viz's translation he specifically says that it's Gotenks' move and that the children came up with it.

Vegeta was able to see Goku`s SSJ3 even though Goku was on another "dimension", the dimension of the living.
Its not that far-fetched that he also was able to see what was going on the ROSAT the same way he saw Goku transform on Earth.

I think it is more far-fetched. Even though Goku can feel out a ki in the afterlife from the real world and vice versa, he could never sense someone who was in the Room of Spirit and Time, and also vice versa. Elder Kaioshin knew that Piccolo had let Buu into the room, but it never tells us if even he could tell what was going on once they were inside. If those in the Kaioshin realm were left in the dark, I doubt Enma and Vegeta could see.

[Fox666]

In Viz's translation he specifically says that it's Gotenks' move and that the children came up with it.

That's interesting. Perhaps Vegetto is smart enough to realize who would creatura a move of that kind?

[dbgtFO]

In Viz's translation he specifically says that it's Gotenks' move and that the children came up with it.

That's interesting. Perhaps Vegetto is smart enough to realize who would creatura a move of that kind?

You mean like what Rocketman proposed?
From an in universe perspective, he would be insanely smart to figure that out, that quickly. Buu calls out its name and Vegetto immediately states, that it's Gotenks' move.

To me it's an obvious inconsistency.

[rereboy]

In Viz's translation he specifically says that it's Gotenks' move and that the children came up with it.

That's interesting. Perhaps Vegetto is smart enough to realize who would creatura a move of that kind?

You mean like what Rocketman proposed?
From an in universe perspective, he would be insanely smart to figure that out, that quickly. Buu calls out its name and Vegetto immediately states, that it's Gotenks' move.

To me it's an obvious inconsistency.

Well, if its not Piccolo`s move or Gohan`s move...