So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by johnboy1 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:34 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Who cares? Fans of Dragon Ball that are under 18, that's who cares.
How strictly are those laws enforced over there, though? If a 17-year-old walked in and wanted to purchase a copy of Mai-Chan's Daily Life or Schoolgirl in Concrete, would the shop-owner bother asking for ID?
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:45 pm

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Piccolo Daimao wrote:Who cares? Fans of Dragon Ball that are under 18, that's who cares.
How strictly are those laws enforced over there, though? If a 17-year-old walked in and wanted to purchase a copy of Mai-Chan's Daily Life or Schoolgirl in Concrete, would the shop-owner bother asking for ID?
I wouldn't know much about that.
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:59 pm

The discussion thread on Toonzone has pretty detailed looks into what will happen now that the bill has passed (of course, the server's down at the moment). Basically, from what I'm reading, shônen are going to take a pretty big hit. I know Bleach's author has come out and said he's fearful the law will inhibit his creativity. Other authors have also spoken out, so much so that apparently Shueisha is planning to boycott Tokyo Anime Fair 2011 (you can thank Mr. Torishima, a former Toriyama editor, for this).

I'm afraid of what this is going to do for Dragon Ball (and many other comics). I pray Shueisha won't resort to printing censored runs of the comic.
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:08 pm

Well, better start buying all of the Kanzenban, before it's too late....

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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:10 pm

What I want to know is...why has Tokyo passed a law like this anyway? I thought Japan were pretty lax on censorship laws.
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Turtle Marked Stone » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:53 pm

I haven't really had an interest in any anime since the 90's so this doesn't effect me any but I feel bad for those of you who are following newer series. They'll have to dance around these new rules which will more likely then not lead to some complications. So...sorry you guys. :(

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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:06 pm

If the manga is published in an adult magazine then I'm not too worry since I don't care for most shonen manga after the early 2000's. I'm not sure how NGE is going to be effected by this if they want to pull off another EoE in the next rebuild movie?
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Ahiru77 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:10 pm

This bill won't do a darn thing to Dragonball nor can it possibly make the other Jumpers any worse than they already are. :lol:

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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Perfect » Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:54 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Seeing that DB is a All rating series then I doubt Dragon Ball will be effect by this. Other animes and mangs like Evangelion, Shin Mazinkaizer Z, Yotsuba, Berserk, and several others might be effected by this bill. This is no different with video games, and comics. If you read several other news stories, there will be age limit to buy anime or manga but people still have the rights to make how sexy or violent the series as the creator wants.
Please think about what you type before you type. Dragon Ball and most of the other shonen titles will likely receive a higher age rating, that's all that's going to happen. The manga doesn't run in Jump anymore, what's the big deal? The anime's DVDs may also see an age rating, again, not a big deal. Maybe some censorship with Kai's broadcast?

The creator doesn't have that right if they intend to keep it at a certain age level. For instance, you can't just draw a sex scene and expect it to be for toddlers. As previously stated, most of the titles you mentioned aren't even shonen.
The only problem I see with this is some "younger" fans not being able to buy some copies of the anime/manga. If they really want to, it won't be hard I assume. Especially considering how many teens get cigarettes and alcohol.
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Ringworm128 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:29 pm

If there going to ban Sex and Voilence in Anime And Manga they should just go all the way and ban the mention of Death. Just imagine "The Next Dimension" IN JAPANESE!

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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Bussani » Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:45 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:So... that's it? It's not like they're banning it. So, it gets categorized differently. Sure DragonBall doesn't really belong in the 18+ section, but if that's the section you have to go in to find it... who cares?
I'm no expert, but won't that significantly affect sales? In which case publishers would start preferring to go the safe route, and comics that would be relegated to the 18+ section wouldn't even get picked up for publication in the first place? I dunno, maybe that's overreacting. Are the worried authors just overreacting, too? I hope so.
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Perfect » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:33 pm

It's likely going to hinder sales, there's no question about that (For shonen titles at least, being the large kid-teenage following their magazine serials have).
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Bardo117 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:44 pm

Who thought of that fantastic idea?
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by rereboy » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:45 pm

I doubt its gonna affect shonen manga at all.

The law seems intended to target works which promote immoral and ill-advised sexual behavior.

Shonen manga only uses sexual situations as humor, not as something that can be taken seriously.

I still think people are just over reacting.

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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Bardo117 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:48 pm

This is coming from the same country that makes games about rape?
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by johnboy1 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:09 pm

Bardo117 wrote:This is coming from the same country that makes games about rape?
Hence the karmic humor I mentioned on the previous page.
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by B » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:20 pm

The problem is this bill will allow the government to judge what is and what isn't acceptable for you, the consumer, to read and watch. It's purposely vague. It's not just about getting a handle on titles with tentacle porn or sister-porking.
Ass wrote:Another section of the revised bill would allow the government to directly regulate the above images if the depicted acts are also "considered to be excessively disrupting of social order" such as rape.
This doesn't so much affect finished titles as it does currently ongoing and future series. "Excessively disrupting of social order." The hell does that mean?
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:25 am

You guys know that the bill says nothing about homosexuality, nudity, fanservice, violence, censorship, or banning anything. It pretty much says that illegal acts and/or incest are to be 18+, but only if portrayed in a positive light.
The anime's DVDs may also see an age rating, again, not a big deal. Maybe some censorship with Kai's broadcast?
Well maybe so, its not like Dragon Ball is a M/R rated series. Dragon Ball always been a All age rated series, all of the games have been E-T, the show has been on CN & Nicktoons, and that the series always been trageted to kids. Not to mention DBE was Rated PG in the US afterall.
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:33 am

Bardo117 wrote:This is coming from the same country that makes games about rape?
Yeah, because the country of Japan has only one person, right?
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Re: So, why aren't we talking about this bill?

Post by Perfect » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:36 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:You guys know that the bill says nothing about homosexuality, nudity, fanservice, violence, censorship, or banning anything. It pretty much says that illegal acts and/or incest are to be 18+, but only if portrayed in a positive light.
The anime's DVDs may also see an age rating, again, not a big deal. Maybe some censorship with Kai's broadcast?
Well maybe so, its not like Dragon Ball is a M/R rated series. Dragon Ball always been a All age rated series, all of the games have been E-T, the show has been on CN & Nicktoons, and that the series always been trageted to kids. Not to mention DBE was Rated PG in the US afterall.
If we're to talk about the US, Dragon Ball receives a TV-PG-TV14 age rating, whereas other countries such as Australia receive a TVPG-Mature rating. Older movie releases from the old Pioneer dub are also rated at PG-13. You seem to fail to understand that it doesn't matter what the current age rating is in Japan for the series, if one shonen series in Jump is to be screwed over then they all will be. You also have to factor in how sensitive cultures are to certain subjects, Japan is clearly less strict than the US.
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