DBO or DBGT, which is the true sequel of DragonBall?

[Zephyr]

So are you saying that DBO (A video game where Super Saiyajins struggle with rabbits) is the real animated continuation of DB?

Its an option.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Bussani]

Why not, in this day in age Video Games are living up to be a respectable medium of entertainment. There isn't any logical reason why it couldn't be. I mean people consider books and movies to be canonical to television(and visa versa) so why not games?

I don't think it has anything to do with games being a respectable medium or not. Books, movies and television are always the same no matter how many times you read or watch them. Games are interactive and might have multiple ways of defeating a boss, multiple endings depending on how you play, and might give you the freedom to do things in different orders, or even skip things that are optional. What's canon in cases like these? I guess it's easier to define canon when a game's very linear, and ironically, linearity in a game is often seen as a bad thing. So while there are games that are considered in-canon to a franchise, it's still a bit different. In the case of MMOs it's mostly the background story and pre-programmed stuff you'd be taking as canon, since there isn't even a linear story with a beginning and end in like in other games.

Its an option.

it's your opinion.

So it's some kind of opinion, then?

[Zephyr]

But it's not, seeming Toei Doga has never announced it as a "third sequel." If anything, it's your opinion. GT is, and will always be entitled as the third animated sequel. For crying out loud, DBO is a video game..

Oh but it is. Its an option in regards to what happened after the 'Z' section of the story. Note that I am differentiating story from anime. Of course DBO isn't the sequel to the Z anime, because its not an anime, nor is it made by the same company. But it is a potential follow up to the events depicted in it (disregarding filler of course).

Now if you want to debate which would be a better continuation of the events depicted in the Z section of the story I'd have to stop you right there, because both GT and DBO contain some asinine plot elements and we'd simply be going back and forth in a redundant debate about the lesser of two evils.

Though what's wrong with a fan taking bits and pieces of the expanded universe (anime, video games, etc) and putting them into their own personal canon?

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Fox666]

So are you saying that DBO (A video game where Super Saiyajins struggle with rabbits) is the real animated continuation of DB?

I don't really see how GT can be compared to something that Toriyama created.

GT was not created by Toriyama. Why does is has any level of canonicity? Because Toei owns the copyright?

I don't care about property rights or copyright. For me Dragon Ball Multiverse is more "canon" than GT, since it doesn't contradicts the original series and the story quality is way superior. Remember that copyright could be overcome with money.

[Zephyr]

So are you saying that DBO (A video game where Super Saiyajins struggle with rabbits) is the real animated continuation of DB?

I don't really see how GT can be compared to something that Toriyama created.

GT was not created by Toriyama. Why does is has any level of canonicity? Because Toei owns the copyright?

We don't know how deeply involved Toriyama actually was with DBO. Sure he created concept art, but that deosn't mean he thought the idea up all on his own. He simply let the company develop a Dragonball game taking place after Z, and gave them some ideas. Same as he did with GT.

I don't care about property rights or copyright. For me Dragon Ball Multiverse is more "canon" than GT, since it doesn't contradicts the original series and the story quality is way superior. Remember that copyright could be overcome with money.

Vegetto needing SSJ3 against Broly not contradictory? Surely you jest sir.

[Eire]

It's official because someone important told to. For your mental health follow my example and don't take cognizance of that.

[Fox666]

Vegetto needing SSJ3 against Broly not contradictory? Surely you jest sir.

Broly doesn't exist in the manga, and the history is retold in Dragon Ball Multiverse. Broly power increases exponentially every second.

Now how GT explains that these new Dragon Balls were never mentioned before? Or Pilaf reaching Kami-sama temple? All these flaws right in the first episode?

How does GT explain Goku fighting an opponent equally in his base and SSJ forms? Why the hell Goku SSJ4 can't defeat these evil dragons which Pan can handle? Why Vegeta tail doesn't grow and he can't control his Oozaru form? Now they can sense the androids Ki? Gohan turning SSJ? I could ask that kind of question the all day...

[Zephyr]

Vegetto needing SSJ3 against Broly not contradictory? Surely you jest sir.

Broly doesn't exist in the manga, and the history is retold in Dragon Ball Multiverse. Broly power increases exponentially every second.

Which is just as cheap and ridiculous, if not more so, than a lot of the stupid ones from the manga. That in no way excuses it.

Now how GT explains that these new Dragon Balls were never mentioned before? Or Pilaf reaching Kami-sama temple? All these flaws right in the first episode?

How does GT explain Goku fighting an opponent equally in his base and SSJ forms? Why the hell Goku SSJ4 can't defeat these evil dragons which Pan can handle? Why Vegeta tail doesn't grow and he can't control his Oozaru form? Now they can sense the androids Ki? Gohan turning SSJ? I could ask that kind of question the all day...

While some of those can be explained, there's no need to try and argue how ridiculous GT is, as everybody already knows about all that. I was simply being realistic and playing the devil's advocate, pointing out that DBO as a whole isn't exactly the best follow up to Z either, nor is it "100% Toriyama created" as people like to assumptively believe (not to say that I don't love some of the backstory for the game though).

[Wobbuffet]

Digimon games released on the Wonderswan are all canon.
Not only that, but they link Digimon Adventures with Digimon Tamers.
I don't see how DBO being a videogame would make it non-canon.
DB was written by Toriyama, not Toei, in case you don't know.

[hleV]

Well, since Toriyama himself never talked about what's canon and what's not, we can't tell. In Star Wars many different people are creating novels/comics/games which are canon to SW universe, althouth not "A rank-canon" but let's say "B-rank canon". Although they need some sort of confirmation I believe.

[Eire]

There's nothing like B-canon The complicated classification is a thing that is discussed on SW boards while temporaily people are out of the ideas for topics.

[Fox666]

Which is just as cheap and ridiculous, if not more so, than a lot of the stupid ones from the manga. That in no way excuses it.

That has nothing to do with "contradiction"

[Rocketman]

Dragonball GT. DBO is absolute trash and we would all be better off if it were cast into Tartarus to be forever tortured and forgotten by man.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Dragonball GT. DBO is absolute trash and we would all be better off if it were cast into Tartarus to be forever tortured and forgotten by man.

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I can't say I agree with you. The story for DBO appeals to me much more than GT.

[Rocketman]

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I can't say I agree with you. The story for DBO appeals to me much more than GT.

GT is pretty horrible too, but it has some small redeeming qualities.

[Fox666]

That's the same thing as buying a Big Mac and removing everything besides the tomatos.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

GT is pretty horrible too, but it has some small redeeming qualities.

DBO just has more redeeming qualities in my opinion. Things like Goku not being the almighty Toei-Godku and supposedly dying, Kuririn and Tenshinhan restarting the turtle and crane schools, Piccolo finally getting some respect and all the Buu/Satan stuff they had going on was Tori-genius. (Honestly, I could see Toriyama making the Dragon World characters make a statue of Mr. Satan on the toilet, so the DBO people doing it was hilarious.) Its all preferences, and I can see how you may not like DBO, but I enjoy it.

[Cipher]

Maybe if we argue about this long enough, Toriyama will actually descend form the Heavens to tell us he doesn't know or care.