Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by MetaMoss » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:07 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote: That... doesn't make much sense to me. So like I was asking before, Fuji TV has absolutely no control over what Toei chooses to put in that time slot? That doesn't seem to make much business sense. And if Joss Whedon had been able to put a new show in the timeslot, wouldn't he have then been doing exactly what you claim to be pissed off at Toei for? :|
I'm sure Fuji TV has some control over it, but I think the deal went something like this:

Toei: Hey, we're thinking of replacing this show with this one, how 'bout it?

Fuji TV: Well, since this new show looks profitable and you're paying for the timeslot, why not?

What is Fuji TV going to say when the people are paying for the timeslot are asking if they could do a change, say no?

And If Josh Whedon was allowed to do whatever he wanted to do with the timeslot (Which is what Toei gets to do), I would be pissed if he didn't make more Firefly.
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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:30 pm

metamoss wrote:And If Josh Whedon was allowed to do whatever he wanted to do with the timeslot (Which is what Toei gets to do), I would be pissed if he didn't make more Firefly.
Well Hell, were Toei trying to do Dragon Ball Kai for the sake of the art they wouldn't have made a half-assed program. They were only in it for a quick buck, which they didn't get.
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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by Mewzard » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:36 pm

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metamoss wrote:And If Josh Whedon was allowed to do whatever he wanted to do with the timeslot (Which is what Toei gets to do), I would be pissed if he didn't make more Firefly.
Well Hell, were Toei trying to do Dragon Ball Kai for the sake of the art they wouldn't have made a half-assed program. They were only in it for a quick buck, which they didn't get.
They most certainly got a quick buck for little effort. But, they didn't get what they wanted in money, so they gave up, not enough money for their lazy effort. Ratings that Kai gets certainly pay decently well, even if their side material isn't selling so well.
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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:45 pm

metamoss wrote:What is Fuji TV going to say when the people are paying for the timeslot are asking if they could do a change, say no?
Um, yes? Again, could someone clarify for me if the Japanese television business model works in a fundamentally different way from American television? Because the way I understand television, production companies don't PAY for a timeslot. A network commissions a studio (pays THEM) to create a television series, based on the idea that it will be profitable for their station. As long as the show remains profitable to them, they will continue to pay the production company money to produce it. If they decide it's no longer in their best interest to continue the show, they will cancel it, and the production studio will be shit out of luck. There aren't many production companies that can actually fund their own work, and even if they could, they'd still have to find a station that's willing to air it. But apparently you're saying that, in Japan, the production company can just decide to stick whatever crap they want to into a timeslot, and the network just has to bend over and take it? That really doesn't make any sense to me from a business standpoint.
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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by MetaMoss » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:10 am

Gaffer Tape wrote: Um, yes? Again, could someone clarify for me if the Japanese television business model works in a fundamentally different way from American television? Because the way I understand television, production companies don't PAY for a timeslot. A network commissions a studio (pays THEM) to create a television series, based on the idea that it will be profitable for their station. As long as the show remains profitable to them, they will continue to pay the production company money to produce it. If they decide it's no longer in their best interest to continue the show, they will cancel it, and the production studio will be shit out of luck. There aren't many production companies that can actually fund their own work, and even if they could, they'd still have to find a station that's willing to air it. But apparently you're saying that, in Japan, the production company can just decide to stick whatever crap they want to into a timeslot, and the network just has to bend over and take it? That really doesn't make any sense to me from a business standpoint.
That's the thing, the Japanese TV way of doing things is different than the American TV way of doing things. But there is a well-known American example of production company paying to use a timeslot, and that is Toonzai/CW 4Kids. If you look up its Wikipedia page, it shows that half of Toonzai is owned by 4Kids (Production Company) and the other half is split up evenly between the co-owners of the CW (CBS and Time Warner). So, 4Kids has the rights to use that timeslot in a way that is approved by the CW, its not like the CW picks the shows. Also, in the latest Kanzentai Feature shows that some of Toei's primary goals are to "Constantly maintain four to six stable broadcasting time slots," and "aim to create [the] 'next hit title' by securing stable income from the multi-use of the current TV lineups and library titles." Going off that, it seems that the "library titles", like Kai are a means to fund the "next hit title", which would be Toriko. I'm not saying that Toei could put whatever the hell they wanted into the timeslot and Fuji TV would have to take it, I'm saying is that Toei went to Fuji TV and pitched the new idea, and Fuji TV just says "Sure. Do it." As long is its not something that's obviously going to fail or something totally inappropriate for the timeslot, then they don't really care as long as they get their precious money.
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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by Ashura » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:31 pm

The possibility of new Kai breaks down to the profitability of more episodes outside of Japan at this point. The only thing we know for sure right now is it's just not profitable enough for Toei to play it in Japan currently.

That is not to say it's impossible that we'll see more of the show, or a rebranded continuation under a new name. There's a bunch of different things which could happen:

- Toei could produce it completely for foreign countries. This is really not that farfetched; shows like Ultimate Muscle and Sonic X have entire seasons which were produced primarily for foreign countries. In fact, I don't think the final arc of Sonic X ever aired in Japan, and realize these are entire shows from scratch, not the re-edited nature of Kai which is far cheaper to produce.
- The outside production companies could take it up with Toei's permission. Funimation pretty much /did/ the first Kai back in the early '90s, so it's also something that could very well happen. If they think they could do the episodes themselves and make it profitable, they probably will. (And Toei could repurpose these edits themselves if they wanted.)
- Specifically in the US, Funi could just offer-out the Buu arc and GT as-is if their deals on TV are profitable enough. Same thing in other countries I suppose.
- None of these companies see anymore money in Kai and just cut their losses as-is.

Really, it mainly breaks down to if the cost-to-profit ratio lines up for Toei and its outside licensors. If the money's not there they won't do it.
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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by Elite49 » Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:45 am

I'd like to see them do it, imagine if you were a kid watching it and not knowing the ending of Kai isn't the true ending to the series? Make it happen FUNi you got 5 years on the contract for something.

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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by Daimo-Rukiri » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:31 pm

A Boo arc can happen for the US release, let's see how well kai goes with the kikuchi score.
If/when they do get to the boo arc I hope they just edit the footage according to the manga and or have toei do it.

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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by MR.Mark » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:50 pm

With the Kikuchi score back in play It makes it all the easier for Funi to pick up the slack for the Buu arc. I'm sure there are editors working for Funi just as competent or more so than Toei. With the respect Funi is giving the franchise as of late I see no reason they couldint produce a well done kai Buu arc, if not better.

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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by Daimo-Rukiri » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:19 pm

Only problem I'm seeing is that it'd just be raw video not remastered like the rest of the series.

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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by Chuquita » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:26 pm

Also, wouldn't it be English dub only? Did Toei have the Japanese cast record for those international-release seasons of those other shows?
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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by ohaimynameiserik » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:57 pm

Chuquita wrote:Also, wouldn't it be English dub only? Did Toei have the Japanese cast record for those international-release seasons of those other shows?
It's safe to say it'd be dub only, but when it comes to Kai, that's the only thing that really matters. Z is much better than Kai in Japanese.

However the differences between Z and Kai in English are night and day.

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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by ThunderPX » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:31 am

Chuquita wrote:Also, wouldn't it be English dub only? Did Toei have the Japanese cast record for those international-release seasons of those other shows?
They did for Sonic X, at least.
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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by Puto » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:05 am

Yeah, but that was TMS, not Toei. TMS aren't as cheap as Toei.
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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by MetalMadness » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:22 am

Puto wrote:Yeah, but that was TMS, not Toei. TMS aren't as cheap as Toei.
When I look at Sonic X's animation I gotta say I disagree :lol:

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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by SylentEcho » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:44 am

I'm sure some crazy fans on the net will make Dragon Box versions of Boo saga and call it Kai. That would be pretty awesome. The original DBZ Boo saga snipped just for fans to enjoy.

It's very possible because the entire Ocean dub till the start of the Boo saga has been remastered in Dragon Box footage over the net.

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Re: Possibility of Boo Saga in Kai

Post by Puto » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:14 am

The audio would be the problem there. The music'd jump all over the place since we don't have separate BGM+SFX/voice tracks for DBZ... not for Japanese Z anyway.
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