Topics you are sick of

[Piccolo Daimao]

Well, in cases where you have threads that are originally about one topic but end up derailing off into another topic (like the recent "Nappa vs. Guldo" topic derailing into a "Was Nappa 4,000 against Goku?" topic), it's pretty hard to ignore them. Especially the "Was Gohan SSj2?" topic, which pops up a lot in threads that aren't even related to it.

And perhaps you have hope that it'll get back on track and there'll be some constructive discussion, but most of the time it just sticks onto the same back-and-forth bickering going around in circles about whether or not so-and-so was stronger than so-and-so, or whether sub's better than dub, etc.

[Chibi Gohan]

I generally don't like power level discussions or "versus" threads, because most of the arguments have little to no basis.

[Mitsuomi]

You see the point is that around about 75% of the discussion at other communities was about power levels and versus topics. Same goes with the commonly asked questions. I understand your point in regards to just not looking at the topics. However the only topics I would like to go over seems to get maybe 5-10 responses while these power debates escalate into 30 page long discussions in many threads at once.

That is why coming to this community is refreshing.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Take Piccolo Daimaoh's response above, for example. I don't see fans of the original Japanese of the franchise running around with their hands over their eyes, sighing, going, "OH MY GOD, I just can't BELIEVE that you DON'T UNDERSTAND just how COMPLETELY WRONG you are...! GEEEEEEZE!"

I can understand your repudiation, nonwithstanding your hyperbole. I see both instances happening on Daizex, hence why I posted them. To be fair however, I see them happen much more on other fora.

[Kendamu]

Well... don't... read them...?

Very good point, but I do tend to roll my eyes at the "Which one should I buy" threads. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because I don't see what's so hard about the decision if you already know the differences between the DBox, Orange Bricks, and the Kai sets.

Maybe they don't know the difference. I dunno. I tend to avoid threads that I don't think I'm going to enjoy.

I guess my point isn't really all that valid because I don't actually read the threads anymore and they may be different than the ones I read before, but "meh." I felt like contributing.

On a somewhat related note, I actually don't mind screencap comparisons when they consist of new screencaps. Speaking of, I think it'd be neat if there were a sticky or a blog post or something showing off the most common comparison screenshots just for reference. I know that one of the articles on this site has a really cool comparison, but I'd like to see some super-convenient access to the other comparisons, too.

Okay, that's enough rambling out of me. I'm obviously tired.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

Yeah, those types of things do pop up far too often, too.

Brilliant, everything I have ever tried to say about Toriyama summed up perfectly in a single image. Less is more. Saved, forever.

[Silver Sinspawn]

Dunno if I'm a little late here or not, but, I'm not a fan of Dub vs Sub conversations, or power level conversations. I mean, sure, they're fine, but they're not something I'd click the link to.
It's just the kind of thing I know little about, so I keep out of it.

[kaialone]

Could Vegeta reach SSJ2 before he fell under Babidis spell or not?

[TripleRach]

I mean, unless you're a moderator and *have* to be on-call and peruse most of the threads on any particular forum, I don't understand how you can get sick of a discussion.

I guess that makes me justified in saying I hate reading this thread. (I'm kidding. Probably.)

It's no secret that I don't care for VS threads/power level discussions, even though I often participated in them myself years ago. It's not so much the subject matter that bothers me, because some aspects of it still interest me. It's the atmosphere. Reading those threads feels like stepping into another culture, and not a very inviting one at that. It's also prone to hostility.

And similar to the popular "dub vs sub" response, I don't like threads based solely around defending or justifying a dub. If you enjoy it, who cares what Makafushigi Asshole thinks? Why do you need to convince him how great Actor McAmerica is? The same goes for similar threads that seem motivated in "converting" people to something, like why Evolution wasn't a bad movie. I don't think I've seen any of these kind of threads in a while, though.

[SonEric84]

If you enjoy it, who cares what Makafushigi Asshole thinks? Why do you need to convince him how great Actor McAmerica is?

Now we just need two new users to come along with those user names.


I won't say I am "sick of" any topic, because I just avoid the ones I know I don't care about, but I will say that I just don't enjoy power level discussions. Not so much the ones that compile official numbers for reference purposes, but the ones where people are coming up with their own and trying to pass it off as accurate.

[roidrage]

Oh, so he's untalented all on his own.

That was hard to watch without Faulconer's track playing during the beating of the Cell Jr.'s

It was hard to watch with it.

Yeah, I get it's a deliberate mistranslation, but it fits to me, more than "god" does.

It doesn't fit for the series though. It might seem to you like an unusual use of the term, but that's what the term means in DB. To the extent that "god" has any meaning within the context of DB, it refers to this guy. The Kaios and Kaioshins are gods simply by virtue of being in charge of Earth's God and countless other planetary gods exactly like him. He's flat-out called God, he goes around with "God" written on his robe, he created Shenlong, the "Dragon of God", the King tells everyone to "pray to God" and Kuririn notes that God's not around anymore. You could say that he acts like a guardian, in the same way you could say that he kinda acts like a parent or a monarch or maybe even a police captain, but none of these actually fit what he is in the series because none of these are what the series actually portrays him as. You might as well say that translating uchuu-jin as "foreigner" rather than "extraterrestrial" (a proper translation) fits the series better because Goku looks almost exactly like the Earthlings and can mate with them. You don't get to decide that he's not an extraterrestrial because he's not portrayed the way you think should extraterrestrials should be; what matters is how the series uses the term. The phrase kami/"god" is no different.

Because the fact of it is that "Kami" means "God". If you don't think he counts as a god, then you shouldn't ever call him "Kami", because that's what "Kami" means. You should call him "Guardian" or something. Which would be almost as ridiculous because you'd still just be ignoring the way the actual series is set up in favor of how you think it should be, but at least you'd be consistent. But saying "Kami is better described as a guardian than a god" and then continuing to use "Kami" as a proper noun to refer to that character is just headache-inducing. You might as well say that the dog man who's in charge of the world doesn't fit your idea of what a king should be, so you're going to call him "Koku-ou" instead.

I've noticed since a month ago that people are using the Japanese names of characters and more. Yes I've been knew the Japanese names. But I grew up with the Dragon Ball series dubbed by Funimation. And I noticed people using the English names first but now they use the Japanese names.

As of when? When did this event happen? For as long as I've been on Daizenshuu EX, most people here go by the original names. There are the exceptions, but there's been no sudden "change".

Like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. And they use the original name from the Japanese version.

Because frankly, "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" is flat out incorrect. It's not the name of that place, and is just a name coined by FUNimation for.. whatever reason.

Oh and also SS (Super Saiyan) to SSJ (Super Saiyajin). I think it's pretty funny that people changed from using the English names to the Japanese ones.

Ever thought people might've originally found the original version before the dub? Also, "SSJ" has been around on the net for a LONG time, I've found more dub fans saying "SSJ" than those saying "SS".

I'm sticking with the names from the English dubbed.

Cool story bro.

"Sean Schemmel is the best Goku/better than Masako Nozawa."

"Dragon Ball GT is good."

Take Piccolo Daimaoh's response above, for example. I don't see fans of the original Japanese of the franchise running around with their hands over their eyes, sighing, going, "OH MY GOD, I just can't BELIEVE that you DON'T UNDERSTAND just how COMPLETELY WRONG you are...! GEEEEEEZE!"

I... just... don't see it. Maybe it's elsewhere? Like I said in another thread in response to someone, it's not clear at all if the folks responding here are talking about things they are seeing here in this community or external to this community -- it would really help if you clarified that stuff.

And if it *is* here, isn't it usually just some one-off comment? I mean, the moderation team does a pretty decent job of making sure folks are responding politely to each other and getting conversations back on-track if they're heading into weird territory.

I respect you, VegettoEX, because I could never do what you do, but I think you're way off. DaizEX has its share of "attitude" that the mods either don't see or miss. What differentiates DaizEX from other sites is not that it completely lacks antagonism; it does contain antagonism, from just about everyone at some point or another. What differentiates DaizEX is that antagonism happens less frequently, and doesn't go as far before being stopped.

A lot of people will say I'm "taking it too personally", "playing the victim", or not "being an adult". I don't dispute that I'm thin-skinned when it comes to online communication, because a lot gets lost between the tone one has in mind and what one types, and I encounter conflict so rarely in day-to-day experience I am easily upset when I do encounter it elsewhere. Technically, I'm not an adult; I'm 17. I feel that if you've worded your posts so that they read as aggressive, you bear responsibility for people taking offense.

I'm going with Piccolo Daimaioh on this one.

[VegettoEX]

So penguintruth and Rory are both immature dicks, get called out on it, and have been heavily reprimanded for it.

OK. And?

[roidrage]

^I was not aware of any reprimands. In the forums those quotes were posted on, no mods told them to change their attitude. Now, whether they received PMs about it I have no idea (it's none of my business either way) but none of the mods interrupted the thread as they usually do to correct this sort of thing. I'm not saying the mods should publicly correct anybody (I mean, maybe I am taking it personally), I'm just saying I never saw the mods reprimand them on the thread itself as they often do with everyone else, so I'm not aware of them being heavily reprimanded or called out on it. If I was, I would not have cited those examples. I apologize if I overlooked something.

Point being, there's bound to be some attitude on here, good as DaizEX is. It's simply human nature.

So penguintruth and Rory are both immature dicks

You said it, not me.

[emperor pilaf]

I don't like threads like this one, where we tear each other apart.

[Ringworm128]

Topics that bash the Dub. Even though it says in the rules "this is not a I hate Funimation forum."

[Piccolo Daimao]

Hey, where's my post gone? I was basically saying it's hard to avoid topics you're sick of when topics such as "Nappa vs. Guldo" often derail off into a hotly debated topic such as "Was Nappa 4,000 against Goku?"

[CatouttaHell]

Hey, where's my post gone? I was basically saying it's hard to avoid topics you're sick of when topics such as "Nappa vs. Guldo" often derail off into a hotly debated topic such as "Was Nappa 4,000 against Goku?"

Looks like that annoying forum bug ended up hiding it:

Well, in cases where you have threads that are originally about one topic but end up derailing off into another topic (like the recent "Nappa vs. Guldo" topic derailing into a "Was Nappa 4,000 against Goku?" topic), it's pretty hard to ignore them. Especially the "Was Gohan SSj2?" topic, which pops up a lot in threads that aren't even related to it.

And perhaps you have hope that it'll get back on track and there'll be some constructive discussion, but most of the time it just sticks onto the same back-and-forth bickering going around in circles about whether or not so-and-so was stronger than so-and-so, or whether sub's better than dub, etc.

[VegettoEX]

Topics that bash the Dub. Even though it says in the rules "this is not a I hate Funimation forum."

There's a difference between asinine, indiscriminate, childish whining about products versus constructive, sophisticated, reasonable critique, particularly when specifically asked about in direct comparison to the source material our conversations are geared toward.

If you see the former, report it. If you see the latter, you're simply going to have to learn to deal with it -- it's a product wide open for it, has received it since its inception, and will continue to get it.

[Makaioshin]

I never get sick of certain topics just the people that post in them(which doesn't happen here for me).

[Piccolo Daimao]

Hey, where's my post gone? I was basically saying it's hard to avoid topics you're sick of when topics such as "Nappa vs. Guldo" often derail off into a hotly debated topic such as "Was Nappa 4,000 against Goku?"

Looks like that annoying forum bug ended up hiding it:

Well, in cases where you have threads that are originally about one topic but end up derailing off into another topic (like the recent "Nappa vs. Guldo" topic derailing into a "Was Nappa 4,000 against Goku?" topic), it's pretty hard to ignore them. Especially the "Was Gohan SSj2?" topic, which pops up a lot in threads that aren't even related to it.

And perhaps you have hope that it'll get back on track and there'll be some constructive discussion, but most of the time it just sticks onto the same back-and-forth bickering going around in circles about whether or not so-and-so was stronger than so-and-so, or whether sub's better than dub, etc.

Thanks, man.