My theory on why Cell does not know Kaioken

[Saiga]

Didn't Toriyama say he dropped it because he thought the concept was too powerful - being able to multiply your power x20 instantly? It seems inline with intending Super Saiyan to be x10 base.

That sounds like another rumour to me.

Same here, thought somebody might have known better though.

[Fox666]

It seems inline with intending Super Saiyan to be x10 base.

No, he said the Super Saiyan multiply the power by 50 times, however that is too much for him, so he always draw the panels with the sense it was 10 times.

[Saiga]

It seems inline with intending Super Saiyan to be x10 base.

No, he said the Super Saiyan multiply the power by 50 times, however that is too much for him, so he always draw the panels with the sense it was 10 times.

That's... really confusing. Could you elaborate on that?

[Fox666]

Well, that's what Toriyama said. To repeat an old post of mine:



"To be honest, the way I decided upon the Super Saiyan design was for such a... simple reason that it’d make you go "eh?". I only use one assistant (note 3), who has always helped me. My assistant always had to spend a lot of time blacking in Goku's hair (note 4), so the biggest reason was to save time, since if Goku became a Super Saiyan, his hair wouldn't have to be blacked in. What's more, this also had the effect that one could tell with a glance that Goku had gotten stronger, so it was killing two birds with one stone. At the time, it was made out that he was fifty times as strong when he became Super Saiyan, but that's a little extravagant. As far as my feelings as an author go, I think I drew it with the sense of it being a change of about ten times what he had been up until then."

This is quite confusing, but 10 times is about how Toriyama feels like, but he DO mention it was 50 times.

Essentially what he is saying is: "At the time I established Goku was 50 times stronger as a Super Saiyan, but that is hard to picture in my mind, so I always had the feeling it was more like 10 times"

[hleV]

Essentially what he is saying is: "At the time I established Goku was 50 times stronger as a Super Saiyan, but that is hard to picture in my mind, so I always had the feeling it was more like 10 times"

AT simply agrees that x50 multiplier is what made sense. Which means he goes for logic in DB and even though he felt like drawing Goku x10 stronger, x50 is what it really is.

[Kaboom]

And then, like I've pointed out before, that very same book (or at least one of the two) goes on to reprint more info and state again that the multiplier is 50x, something which I sincerely doubt they'd do if the original author truly had any objections or issue with it.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Not to mention that Toriyama's quote doesn't even make any sense. "10 times what he had been up until then"? Of course, we can probably put this down to his forgetfulness.