Dragon Ball's Target Audience in JAPAN

[dbboxkaifan]

On topic, I think some people still have the idea, things aimed at kids are stupid for adults in America, but foreign things are acceptable.

FUNimation turning Shin-chan into an adult series really killed the English dub for me, there's the Spanish Castellano dub which I adore and it's aimed at everyone (kids, teens, family, adults). They didn't change the currency from Japanese Yens to Spanian's Euros, like some would expect, or other things.

Plus, I don't like the English voice of Shin-chan sounds so off and unfitting.

TV Asahi produced an episode of Shin-chan travelling to Spain (Episode 501), they must love the Spanian audience, tbh, it's pretty famous over there and airs on a free channel called Neox (in Spain).

Wish I had access to the TDT Spainian channels, but then I'd have to live in Spain. I don't.

/off-topic

[AgitoZ]

The problem here is, you're trying to push your opinion on me and isn't going to work.

Polished? Get real, a cartoon that allows paper underwater to be used for various reasons in one episode, but then disintegrates in the next is well polished? Not to mention the inconsistent colors and animation? Please, at least Dragon Ball the excuse of different studios here. The voices are mediocre in the first two seasons until the actors actually sound consistent and fluid in the third.

If you find Sponebob funny, that's entirely subjective to your humor, in which I honestly don't find any of it funny, with the exception of the episode where Squidward becomes handsome.

Whether or not you think DB falls short is your opinion, not fact. If anything, in terms of what I'd call very well polished for a cartoon, I'd look at Adventure Time, which easily trumps Spongebob in every category.

So you're in turn gonna try to push yours?

Look, if you don't want to argue that's fine. But don't use the the tired "it's your opinion" approach. No shit it's my opinion, unless I start bringing in facts it's going to be an opinion. I shouldn't have to be apologetic about my opinions and write a disclaimer every time I write them. I think people can figure out that it's not fact.

But, especially when you just say a show is crap with no reasoning that's even worse. It seems you missed what I meant when I said "polished". The point of the show is to be a comedy. The music, visuals, acting, and especially the script all perfectly mesh together to accomplish this (For the first three seasons at least).

On topic, I think some people still have the idea, things aimed at kids are stupid for adults in America, but foreign things are acceptable.

FUNimation turning Shin-chan into an adult series really killed the English dub for me, there's the Spanish Castellano dub which I adore and it's aimed at everyone (kids, teens, family, adults). They didn't change the currency from Japanese Yens to Spanian's Euros, like some would expect, or other things.

To be fair, Shin-chan's comic at least ran in a seinen anthology.

[Perfect]

Oh gee, don't take it so personal. It's the internet, get over it. I disagree with your opinion and you clearly have some emotional attachment that's making you act like a condescending asshole about it. God help us all, I don't like Spongebob and I view the first few seasons as trash!

I've given my reasoning, it isn't funny from my point of view. I find the humor to rarely be of my taste. I find the plots to be so horridly inconsistent with one another that it makes other episodic cartoons look like they descended from Heaven.

The comedy isn't polished because it's subjective, and to me it's horrible in most cases. The music is, like any type of music, subjective to perspective by the listener. I don't care for it either. The animation is sloppy in the first two seasons, for reasons I've stated already. The voices are mediocre up until the start of season three, in my opinion.

The script is meshed together perfectly? You have no idea how entirely subjective that is.

[Super Sonic]

Plus, I don't like the English voice of Shin-chan sounds so off and unfitting.

Like her more as Little Trunks and Little Chi-Chi?

[dbboxkaifan]

Plus, I don't like the English voice of Shin-chan sounds so off and unfitting.

Like her more as Little Trunks and Little Chi-Chi?

The only time I heard her voice as Child Trunks was when Son was turning SSJ3 and back then, I liked it, but with Shin-chan.. Just no.

[AgitoZ]

Oh gee, don't take it so personal. It's the internet, get over it. I disagree with your opinion and you clearly have some emotional attachment that's making you act like a condescending asshole about it. God help us all, I don't like Spongebob and I view the first few seasons as trash!

An eye for a tooth? I only started being condescending when your argument started to degrade into the stupid and old "it's all opinions" argument. And especially now that you're saying I got personally upset and have degraded into personally insulting me (ironic, huh). At first I thought I was just reading your posts more harshly, but now you're just being passive-aggressive.

Not to mention you keep critizing me for things I'm apparently doing and you yourself do as well. Such as when I try to explain why I believe SB to be good. Speaking of...

I've given my reasoning, it isn't funny from my point of view. I find the humor to rarely be of my taste. I find the plots to be so horridly inconsistent with one another that it makes other episodic cartoons look like they descended from Heaven.

Well, I meant when you (and everyone else who mentioned it) decided SB was crap, especially when compared to DB, and didn't give any reasoning at all. I didn't mean your last few posts.

[Perfect]

I never created an argument, I merely showed my dislike for the show by concurring with the aforementioned expression of speech. I'm personally insulting you? Right, I'm merely stating what's obvious here, you've clearly taken something personal when I insulted Spongebob.

Oh ho ho! I'm passive-aggressive? That gave me quite a chuckle, really it did. I'm not being sarcastic here either, I literally laughed at such an ill-formed description of my actions.

Notice how I criticize the show for those reasons, and not you. There's a clear difference. Considering you're taking personal, I can see where the lines drawn.

I gave the reasons right after you initiated the argument, why even bother to reiterate something like that? It's completely irrelevant.

[AgitoZ]

I never created an argument, I merely showed my dislike for the show by concurring with the aforementioned expression of speech. I'm personally insulting you? Right, I'm merely stating what's obvious here, you've clearly taken something personal when I insulted Spongebob.

Oh gee, don't take it so personal. It's the internet, get over it. I disagree with your opinion and you clearly have some emotional attachment that's making you act like a condescending asshole about it.

I still liked to know what clearly makes it seem as if I'm personally insulted (quote above aside).

I gave the reasons right after you initiated the argument, why even bother to reiterate something like that? It's completely irrelevant.

Not really. Your first reasons were more like "I didn't really like it" and that was about it. Then I provided my own reasons which were then quickly shunned in a condescending manner.

[Perfect]

You took immediate defense to it as if your life was on the line, as if "Anyone that insults Spongebob must die!"

You admit that you were being condescending, so why bold my accusation when that's exactly what you were being?

I stated I didn't like it because more or less it didn't appeal to me, because I view it as trash, which was before the argument began, so no. You provided your reasons in which I disagreed and viewed as wrong in the same attitude you were already presenting. I stand by what I've said.

[AgitoZ]

You took immediate defense to it as if your life was on the line, as if "Anyone that insults Spongebob must die!"

No, my immediate response was "you're not giving this quirky show enough credit". I never said you were wrong or anything. I merely remarked more people should watch the earlier seasons as they hold up much better than they would realize.

You admit that you were being condescending, so why bold my accusation when that's exactly what you were being?

Did you miss the part were you were also doing the same thing and called me an "asshole"? I only started doing that toward your weak "opinions" excuse. That is up until your argument started to degrade.

I stated I didn't like it because more or less it didn't appeal to me, because I view it as trash, which was before the argument began, so no. You provided your reasons in which I disagreed and viewed as wrong in the same attitude you were already presenting. I stand by what I've said.

And I defend my stand point and I'm wrong? Got it.

[Perfect]

I've seen the earlier episodes, and as I've said, I view them as worse than the remainder of the series, granted I can't speak for the more recent episodes.

As I've stated, I merely replicated your attitude. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with yourself. Go take some personal time to sort that out. There's nothing weak about my "excuse", seeing I provided evidence as to why I view it as trash. You do realize not every post on the internet has to have an essay on what's wrong with something, people can freely converge on why they don't like something with minimal reasoning, such as in their opinion or it just doesn't appeal to them. You're in no position to state otherwise. Granted, when questioned, I did indeed back myself up, because aside from my apparently "weak" excuse, I can defend my points.

Because I view your point as wrong. From my perspective you're wrong, doesn't mean you're actually wrong, but I view you as wrong. You can't treat an opinion as a fact, notice how I reiterated that above.

[dprez]

As bad (and as random) as it is to compare Spongebob to DB, I still have to ask. What have you seen of it? If Spongebob had ended after the first 3 seasons and movie it would have been one of the most perfect cartoons out there.

I must say, the first three seasons ( As with most shows ) were the best of Spongebob. Fantastic sober or not. But come on, Dragon Ball had enough comedy to equal it, and more than enough epic-ness to destroy it in terms of superiority.

Dragon Ball Z blows it away in greatness, even minus the comedy Dragon Ball had.

[TripleRach]

It's bad enough you guys are arguing so much about Spongebob (which is not Dragon Ball, last I checked), but it's getting really nasty. If you can't have a debate without name-calling or sarcasm, then drop it, please.

[AgitoZ]

It's bad enough you guys are arguing so much about Spongebob (which is not Dragon Ball, last I checked), but it's getting really nasty. If you can't have a debate without name-calling or sarcasm, then drop it, please.

Aww...but I had this post prepared...

Back on topic I guess. What was it again...? The OP didn't really specify. Other than, "Hey, here's a video, watch it".

[MCDaveG]

Grow up guys, it's a kids' show dammit!

[SHINOBI-03]

Wow! Never thought I'd see a Spongebob discussion as serious as a Dragon Ball discussion!

Don't the Americans find violence more acceptable than sex? Which seems to be their big issue.

Old fashioned mentalities and close minded people ruin the experience for others.

No, I think their biggest issue is having guns, text on screen, alcohol, racism, and not enough merchandise to promote in kids shows.

[MCDaveG]

I don't even think about the biggest issue..... As holding door for a lady, which is one of the standard behaviour and showing obeisance to women or if you are gentle, can be viewed as harassment. Damn, I can see hords of hairy sufraggettes behind this. Phew.

I think that Spongebob do not deserve this big discussion and tossing around things like paper dissolving, not dissolving.
What the hell is rabbit changing people into carrots doing on moon?

[Perfect]

Dragon Ball received a TV14 rating here on the blue bricks, and Dragon Ball Z got a TVPG rating. Going by this, I guess the FCC views sexual references to be for slightly more mature audiences. Z Kai's original release was going to be TV14, I'm not really sure why it was changed.

http://dragonballzkai.com/dvd.aspx

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

It's bad enough you guys are arguing so much about Spongebob (which is not Dragon Ball, last I checked), but it's getting really nasty. If you can't have a debate without name-calling or sarcasm, then drop it, please.

It's relevant to the topic though. DBZ was intended for kids, but can be enjoyed by all ages. Spongebob is a show that has the same kind of age demographic is you get my drift. Coincidentally, Spongebob and DBZ were both big in 2000 and were the top watched shows of their channels.

[Hellspawn28]

This thread again? Dragon Ball is a kids series since it's target audience is for 7-16. It's okay to like a show that was made for kids since I'm a big fan of Transformers (Not the live action movie) and enjoy the Pokemon games when those two series is no different then Dragon Ball is when it comes to kids show. I hate it when people try to make anime series like Bleach and Dragon Ball seem like it's a hardcore series for adults when it's really not.

As for Spongebob, I like the original episodes from the late 90's and early 2000's but I hardly watch the show anymore. I might watch it when I'm bored and have nothing to do but that's about it.