GT as Manga

[Tzigi]

A few months ago, someone posted scans from a bootleg GT manga, and it surprisingly looked really good. If it looked as good as that one did, I think I would enjoy reading it.

Maybe you were thinking about this one? It doesn't look that good but is nice nonetheless (if someone knows french ).

[Piccolo Daimao]

generally Dragon Ball-related stuff that are not crated by Toriyama aren't good.

That doesn't make any sense.

I'm not sure how you're unable to make sense of such a simple statement. Why doesn't it make sense?

Because not every DB-related thing Toriyama makes is automatically good. You're claiming that if GT had Toriyama behind it, it would be automatically good, when that's not the case and someone who isn't Toriyama can make just as good a DB fiction as Toriyama.

It just comes across as quite naive and fanboyish. Someone can probably explain it better, but I hope you understand what I mean.

[Saiga]

Because not every DB-related thing Toriyama makes is automatically good. You're claiming that if GT had Toriyama behind it, it would be automatically good, when that's not the case and someone who isn't Toriyama can make just as good a DB fiction as Toriyama.

It just comes across as quite naive and fanboyish. Someone can probably explain it better, but I hope you understand what I mean.

I'm not making that claim and Fox isn't making that claim. Fox is simply stating that generally the Dragon Ball material that isn't created by Toriyama isn't good. That means, generally, the movies, filler etc. Isn't very good. That doesn't mean that Fox is saying anything created by Toriyama is automatically good. It seems you're reading far too much into this.

Although I personally disagree with the bolded statement, as I believe to be as good or better one would have to be creating their own series rather than working on somebody else's work.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Nah, I'm pretty sure the one I saw was from China.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Because not every DB-related thing Toriyama makes is automatically good. You're claiming that if GT had Toriyama behind it, it would be automatically good, when that's not the case and someone who isn't Toriyama can make just as good a DB fiction as Toriyama.

It just comes across as quite naive and fanboyish. Someone can probably explain it better, but I hope you understand what I mean.

I'm not making that claim and Fox isn't making that claim. Fox is simply stating that generally the Dragon Ball material that isn't created by Toriyama isn't good. That means, generally, the movies, filler etc. Isn't very good. That doesn't mean that Fox is saying anything created by Toriyama is automatically good. It seems you're reading far too much into this.

Although I personally disagree with the bolded statement, as I believe to be as good or better one would have to be creating their own series rather than working on somebody else's work.

Well...OK, then.

[Tzigi]

Nah, I'm pretty sure the one I saw was from China.

Oh, this one DOES come from China. I wrote that you can enjoy it best if you know french just because this translation happens to be french (and also I've never seen it posted anywhere else so we're down to what we've got).

[Fox666]

I'm not making that claim and Fox isn't making that claim. Fox is simply stating that generally the Dragon Ball material that isn't created by Toriyama isn't good. That means, generally, the movies, filler etc. Isn't very good. That doesn't mean that Fox is saying anything created by Toriyama is automatically good. It seems you're reading far too much into this.

I don't like everything in the manga. But the fillers, movies and especially GT are created only for money, and it's no surprise that in most cases the result is not good.

[Eire]

The problem isn't about money (because everybody works for them), but about lack of the proper development. Expanded Universes tend to result in loads of crap, but if someone actually dedicated to particular series comes with idea to cover unexplored parts of background that can result in pretty enjoyable works. The best example would be Star Wars that thanks to promoted fanboys still stays afloat, giving fans quite decent materials.

Unfortunately it seems that Toei lacked of such people and we have what we see. But I also don't think that Toriyama's involvement in production could change anything- the ideas in GT were actually pretty interesting, but lacked of thoughtful development that isn't his strong point.

[Corporate_Nothing]

I'm not making that claim and Fox isn't making that claim. Fox is simply stating that generally the Dragon Ball material that isn't created by Toriyama isn't good. That means, generally, the movies, filler etc. Isn't very good. That doesn't mean that Fox is saying anything created by Toriyama is automatically good. It seems you're reading far too much into this.

But the fillers, movies and especially GT are created only for money, and it's no surprise that in most cases the result is not good.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/assumption

[Fox666]

No way!

The problem isn't about money (because everybody works for them), but about lack of idea. Expanded Universes tend to result in loads of crap, but if someone actually dedicated to particular series comes with idea to cover unexplored parts of background that can result in pretty enjoyable works. The best example would be Star Wars that thanks to promoted fanboys still stays afloat, giving fans quite decent materials.

Unfortunately it seems that Toei lacked of such people and we have what we see. But I also don't think that Toriyama's involvement in production could change anything- the ideas in GT were actually pretty interesting, but lacked of thoughtful development that isn't his strong point.

GT had "ideas", but lacked a history. Dragon Ball has never been popular sonely because of battles with villains.

[Eire]

OK, I messed a bit. The first sentence should looks like: The problem isn't about money (because everybody works for them), but about lack of the proper development. Now we can agree

[Goten Forever]

It's not like GT unpopularity is only because Toriyama wasn't involved on it. It is because it is really bad...

Yeah, Toriyama's involvement in the movies and the TV specials was equally light as what he did for GT, but that didn't stop Broli and Bardock from becoming super-popular.

I didn't like the films that much at all...
I think the best thing to come out of Toei is Bardock.

[Darkonever]

I have posted in other subject a link to page where are first three volumes of Dragon Ball GT manga.
Link to subject is here.

[DBZ Mick]

You could have created a new topic rather than bump two older ones...