End of Planet Vegeta....

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:15 am

But they are all connected to "Baddak" by a "lien fillial"...

Ash · Post by **Ash** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:35 am

It says "Jumeau de Son Goku", or the twin of Son Goku.

MajinVegeta25 · Post by **MajinVegeta25** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:27 pm

Turles is not Goku's brother or twin or anything!!! They just look alike.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:37 pm

B-kun wrote:
MajinVegeta25 wrote:I don't remember Turles saying anything about a gene pool...
Sorry, I thought they were other Saiyan's behind him.
... Okay, I'll admit I haven't seen the movie in awhile, so one second while I check the DVD now.

"It's not surprising that Kakarot and I look alike. There weren't many types of we lower-class warriors."

That's from Pioneer's subs. If Mr. Daimao could offer a translation if that's incorrect, it'd be nice.

I still wont take that as it's inately impossible. There's more lower class than upper class, that's a given, and therefor a greater gene pool. Whether it's stated or not it's just a very bad and non-plausible explanation.

SaiyamanMS · Post by **SaiyamanMS** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:01 pm

Since Tullece and Goku are so similar, I personally like to think of them as cousins... Even though that isn't based off anything official...

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:14 am

No no no. Turles was adopted.

*cough*

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:24 am

Tullece is Goku's half-brother, from that one vacation Bardock took to Las Vegas.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:34 am

Even if that was possible, then it's still impossible to exactly look alike, since half of his genes would be different. The only explanation could be that they cloned the same egg cell several times (creating Goku, Turles and probably several others) or that they are twins, anything else should be impossible

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:05 am

Gamingdevil wrote:Even if that was possible, then it's still impossible to exactly look alike, since half of his genes would be different. The only explanation could be that they cloned the same egg cell several times (creating Goku, Turles and probably several others) or that they are twins, anything else should be impossible

Actually, considering what little we do know about Saiya-jin DNA, it's possible for Turles and Goku to be such distant relatives that they don't even know exactly where they're related at. Bardock, Goku, Goten, and Goku Jr. are all identicle to each other. Granted, it's a straight line, but Saiya-jin DNA seems to be pretty resistant to much in the way of change.

Maybe that's what Toei meant with that line in movie 3? There was a large gene pool by nature but even after many generations physical appearances don't tend to change much, even with abberations now and then (Raditz, Gohan, Trunks, etc...).

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:05 am

Xyex wrote:
Gamingdevil wrote:Even if that was possible, then it's still impossible to exactly look alike, since half of his genes would be different. The only explanation could be that they cloned the same egg cell several times (creating Goku, Turles and probably several others) or that they are twins, anything else should be impossible
Actually, considering what little we do know about Saiya-jin DNA, it's possible for Turles and Goku to be such distant relatives that they don't even know exactly where they're related at. Bardock, Goku, Goten, and Goku Jr. are all identicle to each other. Granted, it's a straight line, but Saiya-jin DNA seems to be pretty resistant to much in the way of change.

Maybe that's what Toei meant with that line in movie 3? There was a large gene pool by nature but even after many generations physical appearances don't tend to change much, even with abberations now and then (Raditz, Gohan, Trunks, etc...).

Well, both Gohan and Trunks are half Saiyans, so their hair and eyes wouldn't count.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:06 am

And even with Gohan, his hair resembles Goku's several times.

Bulma's genes, however, made Vegeta's genes their bitch.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:33 pm

The S wrote:I'm guessing this is hardly official, but...

What's this pic from? I have both french daizenshuu and it's in neither of them. Me want! Me want!

The S · Post by **The S** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:29 am

What's this pic from? I have both french daizenshuu and it's in neither of them. Me want! Me want!

I honestly have no fucking clue. I found it many moons ago on Google Image Search.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:18 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Xyex wrote:
Gamingdevil wrote:Even if that was possible, then it's still impossible to exactly look alike, since half of his genes would be different. The only explanation could be that they cloned the same egg cell several times (creating Goku, Turles and probably several others) or that they are twins, anything else should be impossible
Actually, considering what little we do know about Saiya-jin DNA, it's possible for Turles and Goku to be such distant relatives that they don't even know exactly where they're related at. Bardock, Goku, Goten, and Goku Jr. are all identicle to each other. Granted, it's a straight line, but Saiya-jin DNA seems to be pretty resistant to much in the way of change.

Maybe that's what Toei meant with that line in movie 3? There was a large gene pool by nature but even after many generations physical appearances don't tend to change much, even with abberations now and then (Raditz, Gohan, Trunks, etc...).
Well, both Gohan and Trunks are half Saiyans, so their hair and eyes wouldn't count.

I was actually refering more to facial physical than hair and eye colors and such. Trunks had a resemblence to Vegeta but not nearly as much of one as Gohan or Goten. Radditz looked more like he belonged in Vegeta's family than Goku's. But Gohan, as a kid, while resembling Goku, didn't seem much like a clone. However, as an adult, the resemblence is much stronger (especially if you give him an SSJ3 look).

I just think that while Saiya-jin DNA goes through the same processes as ours for the most part, the portions that determine physical appearance don't alter or mutate much. So along the lines you have the 'male appearance' and the 'female appearance' and whoever's DNA is stronger determines who's 'appearance' get's passed along. (Hence why Bra and Bulma Jr. looked so much like Bulma. Her DNA can even kick Vegeta's ass. XD)

MajinVegeta25 · Post by **MajinVegeta25** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:04 pm

Okay, maybe we can say that Goku is Turles' brother. This is an alternate dimension movie after all, right? Since this is set after the Goku & Vegeta fight, Piccolo,Yamcha,etc. should be dead.

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:49 pm

MajinVegeta25 wrote:Okay, maybe we can say that Goku is Turles' brother. This is an alternate dimension movie after all, right? Since this is set after the Goku & Vegeta fight, Piccolo,Yamcha,etc. should be dead.

Um, I don't think this movie or any others take place in alternate dimensions. It's just that they don't necessarily fit with the show's storyline. The movie plots take the characters and elements from the series, and make original stories for the purpose of entertainment. I think if someone expects things to fit logically with the television series, they are taking things too seriously or misinterpreting the material.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:29 pm

MyVisionity wrote:
MajinVegeta25 wrote:Okay, maybe we can say that Goku is Turles' brother. This is an alternate dimension movie after all, right? Since this is set after the Goku & Vegeta fight, Piccolo,Yamcha,etc. should be dead.
Um, I don't think this movie or any others take place in alternate dimensions. It's just that they don't necessarily fit with the show's storyline. The movie plots take the characters and elements from the series, and make original stories for the purpose of entertainment. I think if someone expects things to fit logically with the television series, they are taking things too seriously or misinterpreting the material.

As someone else said, at the time the actual movies were made (not dubed, released on video, etc.), they fit with the series. It was only later they didn't work anymore.

Also, the actual movie did not say that they're brothers. I seriously have to challenge the validity f that chart.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:14 pm

MyVisionity wrote:
MajinVegeta25 wrote:Okay, maybe we can say that Goku is Turles' brother. This is an alternate dimension movie after all, right? Since this is set after the Goku & Vegeta fight, Piccolo,Yamcha,etc. should be dead.
Um, I don't think this movie or any others take place in alternate dimensions. It's just that they don't necessarily fit with the show's storyline. The movie plots take the characters and elements from the series, and make original stories for the purpose of entertainment. I think if someone expects things to fit logically with the television series, they are taking things too seriously or misinterpreting the material.

That particular style, taking the characters and creating a story with them that's not part of the story flow, is called Alternate Universe. By defination it's taking place in a universe similar to, but not identicle to, the one we are familiar with. So, yes, it is a different universe.

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:30 pm

Xyex wrote:
MyVisionity wrote:
MajinVegeta25 wrote:Okay, maybe we can say that Goku is Turles' brother. This is an alternate dimension movie after all, right? Since this is set after the Goku & Vegeta fight, Piccolo,Yamcha,etc. should be dead.
Um, I don't think this movie or any others take place in alternate dimensions. It's just that they don't necessarily fit with the show's storyline. The movie plots take the characters and elements from the series, and make original stories for the purpose of entertainment. I think if someone expects things to fit logically with the television series, they are taking things too seriously or misinterpreting the material.
That particular style, taking the characters and creating a story with them that's not part of the story flow, is called Alternate Universe. By defination it's taking place in a universe similar to, but not identicle to, the one we are familiar with. So, yes, it is a different universe.

This isn't fanfiction we're talking about, these are anime features. The movies are set in the same universe as the tv series, but some elements in the plots may not match up with the show's storyline at the time. But it doesn't really matter if things don't fit or some elements of the show are ignored, because the movies are built for entertainment and to see familiar characters in new and original stories.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:38 am

MyVisionity wrote:
Xyex wrote:
MyVisionity wrote: Um, I don't think this movie or any others take place in alternate dimensions. It's just that they don't necessarily fit with the show's storyline. The movie plots take the characters and elements from the series, and make original stories for the purpose of entertainment. I think if someone expects things to fit logically with the television series, they are taking things too seriously or misinterpreting the material.
That particular style, taking the characters and creating a story with them that's not part of the story flow, is called Alternate Universe. By defination it's taking place in a universe similar to, but not identicle to, the one we are familiar with. So, yes, it is a different universe.
This isn't fanfiction we're talking about, these are anime features. The movies are set in the same universe as the tv series, but some elements in the plots may not match up with the show's storyline at the time. But it doesn't really matter if things don't fit or some elements of the show are ignored, because the movies are built for entertainment and to see familiar characters in new and original stories.

Where do you think Fanfics got the idea of AUs from? It doesn't matter that it's not a fanfic. Any story that does not fit into the primary story-line, and there for not into the story's universe, is an AU story.