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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Chuquita » Fri May 11, 2012 9:20 pm

While I'm not sure if it was planned, I like the payoff in having the narrator and Kaio-sama share the same actor in the original Japanese.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Gonstead » Fri May 11, 2012 10:30 pm

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I guess if we are talking about the series and you don't put the specials in then yes. I am not completely familiar with the narrator's name but I always enjoyed having it in the series. It was just this ONE special that was alittle too "over the top" for me and could only be looked at comically for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgvHaI11X5s&t=0m52s
That was Dale Kelly as the narrator. He originally did Season's 3 - 6 before Kyle took over after he left.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by penguintruth » Fri May 11, 2012 10:34 pm

The Japanese narration is excellent and makes it sound like a classic tale being told.

The English narration is pretty awful until recently. The dub narrators made it sound like a wrestling match or a monster truck rally. It was especially bad during next episode previews with the overuse of alliteration.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri May 11, 2012 10:34 pm

Gonstead wrote:That was Dale Kelly as the narrator. He originally did Season's 3 - 6 before Kyle took over after he left.
Seasons 3 and 4, actually. Kyle Hebert took over after that for seasons 5 and 6.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Gonstead » Fri May 11, 2012 10:50 pm

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Gonstead wrote:That was Dale Kelly as the narrator. He originally did Season's 3 - 6 before Kyle took over after he left.
Seasons 3 and 4, actually. Kyle Hebert took over after that for seasons 5 and 6.
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Speaking of Narrators, Sean Schemmel actually did some narration for the NEP's as Goku for the old dub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b8u3hC7MNA&feature=plcp and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3boYfvcxbY&feature=plcp

I'm sure there were plenty more but I don't own any of the DVD's with that dub. I'd still love to though.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Fri May 11, 2012 10:56 pm

Sadly, not all the dub previews have been released, and they might not all even exist anymore besides Toonami recordings. The singles only include the preview for the first episode of the next disc.

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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Gonstead » Fri May 11, 2012 10:59 pm

I wonder if the Madman DVD's have the previews? They did with the original Season 1 and 2 DVD's for the Ocean Dub.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Fri May 11, 2012 11:01 pm

Pokewhiz7 wrote:Sadly, not all the dub previews have been released, and they might not all even exist anymore besides Toonami recordings. The singles only include the preview for the first episode of the next disc.
Would the dubbed NEPs synch with the Dragon Box / Original Broadcast NEPs?
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by BluezaBladeNZ » Fri May 11, 2012 11:04 pm

Gonstead wrote:I wonder if the Madman DVD's have the previews? They did with the original Season 1 and 2 DVD's for the Ocean Dub.
They're not unfortunately. Each volume only has one preview like the R1 releases.

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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Fri May 11, 2012 11:05 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:
Pokewhiz7 wrote:Sadly, not all the dub previews have been released, and they might not all even exist anymore besides Toonami recordings. The singles only include the preview for the first episode of the next disc.
Would the dubbed NEPs synch with the Dragon Box / Original Broadcast NEPs?
Some of them would, though for some they constructed their own previews, I believe.

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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Gonstead » Fri May 11, 2012 11:06 pm

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Pokewhiz7 wrote:Sadly, not all the dub previews have been released, and they might not all even exist anymore besides Toonami recordings. The singles only include the preview for the first episode of the next disc.
Would the dubbed NEPs synch with the Dragon Box / Original Broadcast NEPs?
The Frieza Saga? Definitely not.

Garlic Jr? No Idea.

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So for a matter of fact, they COULD have included NEP's on their DVD releases UUE and afterwards, just simply in dub + dub music for english and original Japanese for Japanese + subs as the choices.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri May 11, 2012 11:14 pm

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Gonstead wrote:That was Dale Kelly as the narrator. He originally did Season's 3 - 6 before Kyle took over after he left.
Seasons 3 and 4, actually. Kyle Hebert took over after that for seasons 5 and 6.
And this is why you never rely on DB Wikia people.
Hmm, if it's DB Wikia, then I would assume they must be referring to the season set's division of "seasons," something I'm not as familiar with, but which sounds about right. I'm using the actual U.S. broadcast seasons, of which there are only 6.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Gonstead » Fri May 11, 2012 11:23 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:
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Seasons 3 and 4, actually. Kyle Hebert took over after that for seasons 5 and 6.
And this is why you never rely on DB Wikia people.
Hmm, if it's DB Wikia, then I would assume they must be referring to the season set's division of "seasons," something I'm not as familiar with, but which sounds about right. I'm using the actual U.S. broadcast seasons, of which there are only 6.
Ahh, right.

Well if it's divided by Season Set division, then that would sound right.

Season 3 uncut - Right after the Ginyu fight to just before Garlic Jr.
Season 4 uncut - Garlic Jr to discovering the time machine.
Season 5 uncut - Imperfect Cell to Trunks vs Perfect Cell fight.
Season 6 uncut - The entire Cell Games portion of the series.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Fri May 11, 2012 11:34 pm

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BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Going to get stoned attempting to defend Kyle Hebert for a moment, but I'll do it with pride; I love his ending and recap redubs of the first dub. The guy knows how to play punchy dialogue without it killing it. You can yammer on about how it doesn't have to be there (Which it shouldn't) but if it's going to be there no matter what anyone says (it is) I'd much rather someone be directed to do in a slightly tongue in cheek way.
I guess if we are talking about the series and you don't put the specials in then yes. I am not completely familiar with the narrator's name but I always enjoyed having it in the series. It was just this ONE special that was alittle too "over the top" for me and could only be looked at comically for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgvHaI11X5s&t=0m52s
That was Dale Kelly as the narrator. He originally did Season's 3 - 6 before Kyle took over after he left.
I know that was Dale Kelly, that just wasn't the first thing about it that came to mind.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Nikkolas » Fri May 11, 2012 11:40 pm

While I thought the DBZ Narration was quite good in specific episodes - such as when Gohan turned SSJ2 - the best FUNI Narrator is clearly Brice Armstrong. He did a fantastic job and he's definitely one of tha many reasons I prefer DB to DBZ.

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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri May 11, 2012 11:44 pm

From what little I've heard, Brice Armstrong did bring a gravitas back to the role, but I'd say both the Docs: Harris and Morgan, were both just as awesome, as was whoever did it for the first FUNimation dub of the first 13 episodes.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat May 12, 2012 6:20 pm

Yeah, there are instances where the narrator adds something to the plot. I think Gokuu’s Zenkais are mentioned for the first time, by the narrator during Gokuu’s 100G training in the spaceship, and Gokuu only explicitly reveals that he knows it himself before the fight with Ginyuu.

But it generally makes it feel like more of a legendary tale.
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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Fionordequester » Sat May 12, 2012 6:51 pm

I guess if we are talking about the series and you don't put the specials in then yes. I am not completely familiar with the narrator's name but I always enjoyed having it in the series. It was just this ONE special that was alittle too "over the top" for me and could only be looked at comically for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgvHaI11X5s&t=0m52s
What? That? That doesn't seem so bad to me. What about when sometimes desperate men do desperate things in desperate situations?

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Post by djkalteraphine » Tue May 15, 2012 11:33 pm

Chuquita wrote:While I'm not sure if it was planned, I like the payoff in having the narrator and Kaio-sama share the same actor in the original Japanese.
I like to pretend that the Narrator is Kaio-sama, retelling the story to a student far in the future. Perhaps the student asked him, "How did you die?" And Kaio got a twinkle in his eye.

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Re: Is a narrator really needed?

Post by Gonstead » Wed May 16, 2012 12:14 am

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Chuquita wrote:While I'm not sure if it was planned, I like the payoff in having the narrator and Kaio-sama share the same actor in the original Japanese.
I like to pretend that the Narrator is Kaio-sama, retelling the story to a student far in the future. Perhaps the student asked him, "How did you die?" And Kaio got a twinkle in his eye.
That might of been the perfect ending if Toei had done that after the Goku montage at the end of GT, where Kaio finishes the story for the student.

Ahh man, now I'm feeling sentimental for thinking about that.
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