Bardock the...Super Saiyan 4?

[Saiga]

Considering that Vegeta turned into a regular Oozaru and not a golden one straight away, maybe one needs to be able to become a Super Saiyan 3 before they could naturally turn into an Oozaru. That would make sense if you consider SS3 to be the last Super Saiyan transformation (with SS4 being something different).

GT isn't very specific on the details. Just that becoming an Oozaru and then transforming further is involved somehow.

[Jackal puFF]

I wonder if he'll get yellow pants just like Goku..

[Toadster]

You know, I never noticed Bardock still had his tail. I kind of wish it turned yellow as well. Otherwise it implies his fur will still be brown if he turns Oozaru while Super Saiyan.

[Bussani]

Super Saiyans always have brown tails as far as I remember. Goku's only turned gold when he reached Super Saiyan 3.

[dbgtFO]

Considering that Vegeta turned into a regular Oozaru and not a golden one straight away, maybe one needs to be able to become a Super Saiyan 3 before they could naturally turn into a Golden Oozaru. That would make sense if you consider SS3 to be the last Super Saiyan transformation (with SS4 being something different).

GT isn't very specific on the details. Just that becoming an Oozaru and then transforming further is involved somehow.

That's what I think too and the golden tail only being there in SS 3 works well with that.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Bardock is said to remember his time as an Oozaru

Wasn't that a dub line? I thought, originally, they were just talking about why Freeza wanted to conquer the planet.

[sonikku956]

Why do Saiyans have brown tails anyway?

[shonenhikada]

Considering that Vegeta turned into a regular Oozaru and not a golden one straight away, maybe one needs to be able to become a Super Saiyan 3 before they could naturally turn into an Oozaru. That would make sense if you consider SS3 to be the last Super Saiyan transformation (with SS4 being something different).

GT isn't very specific on the details. Just that becoming an Oozaru and then transforming further is involved somehow.

Before he turned into great ape he was still in base, all it would require him to do is transform then regain control its basic as night and day the requirement.

[dbgtFO]

Why do Saiyans have brown tails anyway?

Because their Oozaru fur is brown? I don't think AT ever coloured a Saiyan in their Oozaru state, but it seems fitting for the tail to match the colour of the Oozaru fur.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

See, I might be remembering GT wrong--Twinbee should correct me if I am--but I remember Vegeta having to go through this weird extra training before he'd be able to reach Super Saiyan 4. Bulma didn't just build a Bruitz Waves machine and shoot him with it--he also had to do this training she devised. Unless that was just to close the gap between him and Goku? Someone who remembers, please tell us!

Actually, we first saw him training, and after that Bulma told him about him turning into Super Saiyan 4, etc. Next time we see him is when he arrives in the battlefield.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Wasn't that a dub line? I thought, originally, they were just talking about why Freeza wanted to conquer the planet.

Panbukin: *touches scar* That bastard.
Toma: That’s what you get for dropping your guard. So Bardock, don’t you think you went over the top there, even celebrating your son’s birth and all?
Bardock: Celebrating my son’s birth? What a ridiculous farce!

It's not directly stated in the Japanese version, but it can still be implied with Toma's line. It seems they all remember their time as an Oozaru, or else Toma probably wouldn't have made the statement, because they wouldn't know who actually did what amount of damage. You can mark it up as them just giving him a hard time, but Bardock disputes the claim instead of just calling him out on even remembering the battle.

[Bussani]

See, I might be remembering GT wrong--Twinbee should correct me if I am--but I remember Vegeta having to go through this weird extra training before he'd be able to reach Super Saiyan 4. Bulma didn't just build a Bruitz Waves machine and shoot him with it--he also had to do this training she devised. Unless that was just to close the gap between him and Goku? Someone who remembers, please tell us!

Actually, we first saw him training, and after that Bulma told him about him turning into Super Saiyan 4, etc. Next time we see him is when he arrives in the battlefield.

What about that part where she has him sitting in some weird gravity chair? I should just go and watch the episode...

Why do Saiyans have brown tails anyway?

Why not?

[Saiga]

Considering that Vegeta turned into a regular Oozaru and not a golden one straight away, maybe one needs to be able to become a Super Saiyan 3 before they could naturally turn into an Oozaru. That would make sense if you consider SS3 to be the last Super Saiyan transformation (with SS4 being something different).

GT isn't very specific on the details. Just that becoming an Oozaru and then transforming further is involved somehow.

Before he turned into great ape he was still in base, all it would require him to do is transform then regain control its basic as night and day the requirement.

But Goku was in base and he turned into a golden Oozaru...

[shonenhikada]

Considering that Vegeta turned into a regular Oozaru and not a golden one straight away, maybe one needs to be able to become a Super Saiyan 3 before they could naturally turn into an Oozaru. That would make sense if you consider SS3 to be the last Super Saiyan transformation (with SS4 being something different).

GT isn't very specific on the details. Just that becoming an Oozaru and then transforming further is involved somehow.

Before he turned into great ape he was still in base, all it would require him to do is transform then regain control its basic as night and day the requirement.

But Goku was in base and he turned into a golden Oozaru...

Right what I'm saying is that you just transform in SSJ while in oozaru form. Even when Goku was in base and transform into oozaru he didn't go gold automatically, he went brown then went to gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgLlxoFDDvI

Check this video I looked for it for you.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

But Goku was in base and he turned into a golden Oozaru...

As shown with Gohan at the 25th Budokai, rage can trigger the Super Saiyan transformation, even if you're trying to keep your cool. Goku never learned to control his Oozaru form, so the natural rage exhibited caused him to go Super Oozaru almost immediately.

[Fox666]

Or transforming is already natural to Goku, to the point he can do subconsciously as an Oozaru.

Yet, the Golden Oozaru is not an Oozaru transformed in Super Saiyan. It is closer to a hybrid of the Oozaru and Super Saiyan forms.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yet, the Golden Oozaru is not an Oozaru transformed in Super Saiyan. It is closer to a hybrid of the Oozaru and Super Saiyan forms.

Nothing implies that for the Super Oozaru, so that's fairly baseless claim IMO.

[Saiga]

Nothing implies it's an Oozaru that turned Super Saiyan either.

[Toadster]

Super Saiyans always have brown tails as far as I remember. Goku's only turned gold when he reached Super Saiyan 3.

Ah, that makes sense.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Nothing implies it's an Oozaru that turned Super Saiyan either.

Except, besides being the the most obvious assumption based on the series itself and thus the most likely (Occam's razor), its also backed by pretty much everything from the GT Perfect Files and Golden Warrior interview with Nakatsuru. While Super Saiyan 4 was the one designed as the hybrid of the two transformation branches and is said that it can be considered as a new species of transformation, nothing is ever mentioned about the Super Oozaru being in the same boat. With all the talk of SS4 being a new species, that would imply that everything before it wasn't; so Super Oozaru should literally be an Oozaru turned Super Saiyan, not some sort of hybrid.