Goku's death in the Cell Arc: Manga Vs Anime

[Piccolo Daimao]

But as for an in-universe explanation, I could say that Gokuu fully intended to die with Cell, so he'd get to explore new challenges in the afterlife and Gohan would take over for him as protector of Earth. I suppose he just didn't care about Kaiou and Bubbles dying, since both of them could be revived with the DBs anyway and, dead or alive, nothing would change except halos emerging over their heads (although Kaiou could've lost his job, since he didn't seem to get a new planet and hung around in Heaven with Gokuu and some other dead guys we see. But it's not as if Gokuu knew about that, and he's a naive and selfish bastard anyway).

That's not exactly what the Manga insinuates to me. I guess Goku was thinking semi-hastily not about whether Earth would be safer with or without but whether or not there'd be an Earth to begin with. Plus, when he appears on Kaio's planet with Cell and apologizes (stupid but in-character if you ask me), the next panel has Cell saying his big NO as he blows up in an instant. No earthquakes or those energy sparks to draw out the scene just one big boom.

Of course, that's MY interpretation of the Manga version. The Anime did the dramatic license thing, of course, but the Manga doesn't have to be seen the same way as that.

I was talking about the anime version. In the manga, I just take it as Gokuu thinking that he had to time to apologize to Gohan and Kaiou, since he figured he was going to die anyway. He seemed pretty dead-set on it, believing that there was no other way to save Earth than him to sacrifice his life by teleporting Cell to Kaiou's planet, killing all four (Gokuu, Cell, Kaiou and Bubbles) of them.

[NitroEX]

I'm not sure if this is in the Manga but didn't King Kai tell Goku that he also knew IT when Goku was searching for New Namek?

He could of teleported himself off his planet if he knew the technique himself.

Anyway as for the scene itself I always just assumed Goku didn't have enough energy for a trip back to Earth.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I'm not sure if this is in the Manga but didn't King Kai tell Goku that he also knew IT when Goku was searching for New Namek?

He could of teleported himself off his planet if he knew the technique himself.

Anyway as for the scene itself I always just assumed Goku didn't have enough energy for a trip back to Earth.

That's not in the manga. All he did was locate New Namek for Gokuu.

And didn't Gokuu eat a Senzu after Gohan stole the bag with them in from Cell, tossed them to Trunks, and told him to pass them round to everyone?

[matt0044]

Anyway as for the scene itself I always just assumed Goku didn't have enough energy for a trip back to Earth.

You don't use your Ki for IT, you focus on a source and are teleported there. Nothing to it.

[Gonstead]

Only because Super Saiyan provided better stats than Kaioken did.

It's still a technique that's prime for use in a situation like this though, especially when combined with Super Saiyan.

It may leave him out of breath or immobile for a while because of the strain but it's a whole lot better than dieing.

Wouldn't he explode if he combines the kai-o-ken with super saiyan due to his ki being to large for him to control/manage. That's why he only does this in other world for a brief moment against Paikuhan.

And that brief moment would have been all that he needed to use the technique. It was fast enough to catch Pikkon off-guard who was one who also caught an off-guard Perfect Cell.

[matt0044]

And that brief moment would have been all that he needed to use the technique. It was fast enough to catch Paikuhan off-guard who was one who also caught an off-guard Perfect Cell.

Well, it was filler so Toriyama didn't think of it then in a likelihood.

[Bussani]

You don't use your Ki for IT, you focus on a source and are teleported there. Nothing to it.

Well, we don't really know that. Kibitoshin couldn't teleport after donating all of his (gen)ki to the Genki Dama, and I don't see why Goku's less advanced teleportation technique wouldn't also have such a weakness.

You know, I would have liked it if the manga had done it like this:

Goku: "Sorry, Kaio. This was the only place I could think to bring--" *explosion*

Or something like that. Just the emphasise a bit that there wasn't any time to do anything.

[matt0044]

You know, I would have liked it if the manga had done it like this:

Goku: "Sorry, Kaio. This was the only place I could think to bring--" *explosion*

Or something like that. Just the emphasise a bit that there wasn't any time to do anything.

Perhaps the minute he finished, Cell went boom. But yeah, that would've worked (though it sounded unintentional a tad humorous in my head).

[Bussani]

(though it sounded unintentional a tad humorous in my head).

Yeah, I think so too. But it always seemed kind of funny to me the way it was anyway.

[dbgtFO]

Even though it's more obvious in the animated adaption, I think the original still requires some suspension of disbelief. Just before Goku teleports over to Cell, we are told that only 4 seconds remain. In this timespan, Cell gloats about his victory, Goku says he's sorry to Gohan and then Lord Kaio. At normal talking speed this would take more than just 4 seconds.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Even though it's more obvious in the animated adaption, I think the original still requires some suspension of disbelief. Just before Goku teleports over to Cell, we are told that only 4 seconds remain. In this timespan, Cell gloats about his victory, Goku says he's sorry to Gohan and then Lord Kaio. At normal talking speed this would take more than just 4 seconds.

Cell inherited Freeza's bad grasp of time...

[matt0044]

Cell inherited Freeza's bad grasp of time...

Indeed.

[Fox666]

Even though it's more obvious in the animated adaption, I think the original still requires some suspension of disbelief. Just before Goku teleports over to Cell, we are told that only 4 seconds remain. In this timespan, Cell gloats about his victory, Goku says he's sorry to Gohan and then Lord Kaio. At normal talking speed this would take more than just 4 seconds.

I don't think that's an issue for the manga. It seems fine to me:

[shonenhikada]

And that brief moment would have been all that he needed to use the technique. It was fast enough to catch Paikuhan off-guard who was one who also caught an off-guard Perfect Cell.

Well, it was filler so Toriyama didn't think of it then in a likelihood.

Well Goku did this while he was dead which allowed him to not get fatigued or tired. (This meant) he could risk it in the afterlife, as opposed to using it in the real world where it would have wrecked his body and cost him the fight.

[Drabaz]

I do like the pacing of the manga more than the anime's in this particular scene. I'd like to think that Goku's thought process was something like, "Crap, the Earth is doomed. I have IT, maybe I can move him off this planet to somewhere else. With such short amount of time, I may get caught in the blast while teleporting him away. Oh well, Gohan has shown that he's stronger than me. I can die in peace knowing that the Earth will have him to protect it." If his thought process was anything like that, he would have already accepted death and not really cared about making it out of this situation alive. Sure he may have had a few seconds left to save himself, but he already accepted death and was ready to die happy.