Episode of Bardock was apparently dubbed in English.

[Eire]

Penguintruth , if we ever meet, you've got a cake from me.
If Goku's blood give sooooo awesome powers, he should regularly make a blood donations, so all of the nations could turn into living light bulbs, solving the problem with energy.

[soulnova]

Bardock was not special?

On the contraire!

Bardock and his team are the reason Frieza decided to give Order 66 on all Saiyans! They became stronger too fast in a matter of years and Bardock was around an impressive 10,000 at the time. I would be so bold as to place King Vegeta around that same level seeing that the Prince was around 5000 PL at 5 years old and he surpassed his father's level later when he was still young.

Learning that Bardock and his team wiped out Kanassa in 3 days was the last push Frieza needed to start the chains of events that would lead up to DBZ and Goku saving the freaking universe. You can thank Bardock about that.


Now... regarding the Episode of Bardock. I don't care about continuity as much because SSj Bardock is just badass. (-■_■)

[Bussani]

I agree with soulnova. I know that in the grand scheme of things Bardock wasn't really anything special, but...he was apparently more powerful than Nappa, which doesn't make him a complete nobody. I think one of the guides mentions that great power seems to run in Goku's family, but if we consider the fact that Goku was born a weakling and got stronger over time, as well as the fact that Bardock had become so much stronger so quickly that it added to Freeza's concerns about Saiyans, I'd say that it's the potential for growth that runs in their family.

That doesn't necessarily mean I like the idea of him becoming the Legendary Super Saiyan--or any Super Saiyan for that matter--but I don't really care enough about canon for it to bother me.

[Eire]

Yes, next time we will know that he was King's advisor in disguise. Please, one Ka-El is enough.

[penguintruth]

I hear in the next special, it turns out Bardock is the one who invented the fake moon trick.

That's right... he was an average fighter, but a brilliant scientist!

[soulnova]

I hear in the next special, it turns out Bardock is the one who invented the fake moon trick.

That's right... he was an average fighter, but a brilliant scientist!

No wonder why the Kanassan picked him up. His mental capabilities would enhance his psychic powers.

[Puto]

Bardock and his team are the reason Freeza decided to give Order 66 on all Saiyans! They became stronger too fast in a matter of years and Bardock was around an impressive 10,000 at the time. I would be so bold as to place King Vegeta around that same level seeing that the Prince was around 5000 PL at 5 years old and he surpassed his father's level later when he was still young.

Try watching the special in Japanese. That's all stuff made up by the dub, and the dub of that particular special had the script written entirely from scratch. So yeah.

[Super Sayian Prime]

There's a dub for this special ... produced by fans. I don't know why this thread was made when Namco Bandai themselves said it would be subtitled.

[Bussani]

Try watching the special in Japanese. That's all stuff made up by the dub, and the dub of that particular special had the script written entirely from scratch. So yeah.

Oh, okay then. Still, his battle power of (close to) 10,000 is in the original, which is much higher than a low-class Saiyan should have. The doctors themselves point it out, right?

[soulnova]

Bardock and his team are the reason Freeza decided to give Order 66 on all Saiyans! They became stronger too fast in a matter of years and Bardock was around an impressive 10,000 at the time. I would be so bold as to place King Vegeta around that same level seeing that the Prince was around 5000 PL at 5 years old and he surpassed his father's level later when he was still young.

Try watching the special in Japanese. That's all stuff made up by the dub, and the dub of that particular special had the script written entirely from scratch. So yeah.

What part exactly are you referring to? Kid Vegeta having 5000 PL?

[Bussani]

What part exactly are you referring to? Kid Vegeta having 5000 PL?

That number isn't in Kanzentai's old battle power guide, so maybe it is a dub line.

[soulnova]

Well, I always thought that number was actually closer to reality as Kid Vegeta managed to kill of 5 saibamen with ease. With each saibaiman having around 1000/1500 PL, Vegeta having 5000 wasn't that far-fetched. He was after all a true Saiyan prodigy...

[Piccolo Daimao]

Try watching the special in Japanese. That's all stuff made up by the dub, and the dub of that particular special had the script written entirely from scratch. So yeah.

Oh, okay then. Still, his battle power of (close to) 10,000 is in the original, which is much higher than a low-class Saiyan should have. The doctors themselves point it out, right?

That still doesn't mean that Bardock was any more extraordinary than his teammates, or any of the other Saiyans. Bardock and his team weren't the only Saiyans that Freeza was afraid of. He just noticed that a bunch of them were increasing in power, so he decided to nuke them, to avoid the possibility of them ganging up on and killing him. Even with Bardock's high battle power, he doesn't do much with it. He kills a couple of Freeza/Dodoria's goons, but gets effortlessly blown away by Dodoria's mouth blast and then finally obliterated by Freeza's Death Ball, along with Planet Vegeta. We don't know how strong Nappa, kid Vegeta, or King Vegeta were back then, so we can't compare Bardock to them.

The Bardock special was an interesting story about an ordinary low-class Saiyan who, by a twist of fate, gained the power of precognition and saw the genocide of his race, and fought to stop it but was powerless, but died in the comfort that his son, the lowest of all low-level Saiyans, would eventually rise up to avenge their race and defeat Freeza decades from then. He was never meant to be some kind of "chosen one". We, the audience, know that he's going to die and that he doesn't have a hope at beating Freeza, but it's entertaining to go along for the ride and see how the events end up turning out anyway.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

Try watching the special in Japanese. That's all stuff made up by the dub, and the dub of that particular special had the script written entirely from scratch. So yeah.

Oh, okay then. Still, his battle power of (close to) 10,000 is in the original, which is much higher than a low-class Saiyan should have. The doctors themselves point it out, right?

That still doesn't mean that Bardock was any more extraordinary than his teammates, or any of the other Saiyans. Bardock and his team weren't the only Saiyans that Freeza was afraid of. He just noticed that a bunch of them were increasing in power, so he decided to nuke them, to avoid the possibility of them ganging up on and killing him. Even with Bardock's high battle power, he doesn't do much with it. He kills a couple of Freeza/Dodoria's goons, but gets effortlessly blown away by Dodoria's mouth blast and then finally obliterated by Freeza's Death Ball, along with Planet Vegeta. We don't know how strong Nappa, kid Vegeta, or King Vegeta were back then, so we can't compare Bardock to them.

The Bardock special was an interesting story about an ordinary low-class Saiyan who, by a twist of fate, gained the power of precognition and saw the genocide of his race, and fought to stop it but was powerless, but died in the comfort that his son, the lowest of all low-level Saiyans, would eventually rise up to avenge their race and defeat Freeza decades from then. He was never meant to be some kind of "chosen one". We, the audience, know that he's going to die and that he doesn't have a hope at beating Freeza, but it's entertaining to go along for the ride and see how the events end up turning out anyway.

Interesting. That took me my words when Bardock is like a "chosen one" or some sort of legend when he became a Super Saiyan for the first time in a millennia in the other side of the universe although the main story doesn't.

[NintendoBlaze53]

I'm more inclined to believe that Freeza killed Bardock and the special is just his imagination as he dies than Freeza's attack SENDS PEOPLE BACK IN TIME, which is just f***ing stupid. If that happened, why did only Bardock get sent back in time?

Geting set back in time is pulling a Batman in Final Crisis.

[penguintruth]

I'm more inclined to believe that Freeza killed Bardock and the special is just his imagination as he dies than Freeza's attack SENDS PEOPLE BACK IN TIME, which is just f***ing stupid. If that happened, why did only Bardock get sent back in time?

Geting set back in time is pulling a Batman in Final Crisis.

Blargh... Grant Morrison.

[Krycek7o2]

I'm more inclined to believe that Freeza killed Bardock and the special is just his imagination as he dies than Freeza's attack SENDS PEOPLE BACK IN TIME, which is just f***ing stupid. If that happened, why did only Bardock get sent back in time?

Geting set back in time is pulling a Batman in Final Crisis.

Blargh... Grant Morrison.

Blargh to you son. I love's me some Morrison.

[Kroni_Hunter]

No, it diminishes Goku's transformation. "Oh, no wonder Goku became a Super Saiyan, his father was one!"

Bardock is a nothing. That's why his story is so good. He stood up to Freeza and... nothing. He was swatted away. But his child would someday defeat him.

Not only did they make Bardock a Super Saiyan, but the very first, the start of the legend. He might as well fart rainbows and sweat cancer cure. When are we going to find out that Bardock is the one who defeated Bojack for the Kaios or that he once protected a litter of kittens from Majin Buu?

It's ridiculous. Time travelling Bardock is ridiculous. Bardock just happening to be on the same planet Freeza's ancenstor is on and just happens to defeat him by becoming a Super Saiyan to avenge people he just met and would otherwise have mutilated himself.

No. Sorry, but it all defaces the mythos of DB. It's like finding out that Superman's father Jor-El had once been a superhero on another planet who looked just like Superman and the reason Darkseid knows about Superman is because it was passed on through generations.

How did Bardock time travel? And if he did, does that mean the planet he ended up on was Planet Vegeta pre-Saiyans? Where are the Tsufurians? And if it isn't Planet Vegeta, where is it? And how did he end up on that particular planet? He travelled in time AND space? Does Freeza do this often to his opponents?

It's just dumb. The whole thing is dumb.

Is it really that big of an affront to you that you think it "defaces the mythos" of DB? DB has been full of ridiculous plots, it's not like Time Travel/Extraneous SSJs haven't been around already. I agree that the way it was executed in the special made it seem kind of like an asspull. They were trying to be fun and mysterious by not offering an explanation. But with something that outlandish in an established series I don't think you can get away with that. Still it wouldn't be hard to offer up an explanation after the fact, such as the DBO villains, and that would be good enough for me.

Bardock is not made as important as you are making him out to be. He's just in one of countless timelines, and in every other his existence was meaningless. I'm fine with giving him his own special universe, it's better than then rehashing the same video games and being afraid to try anything new.

[penguintruth]

Bardock should in no way be even close to attaining Super Saiyan status. At all. In any reality. Ever.

Bardock is the Farmer with the Shotgun of Saiyans. Or at the most, Mr. Satan.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Or at the most, Mr. Satan.

So, a character who seems really pathetic and pointless at first, but then turns out to be one of the most unexpectedly important characters in the franchise? Isn't that pretty close to what they are already doing?