Did Freeza train?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Freeza's true form is probably the last form he changes into. Freeza refers to it as such, so it's most likely the form he was born in, and he used his weaker forms to gain better control over his power. Since they were weaker, I don't think Freeza developed them through training. I guess he created them through some form of Chi-control, since he wasn't adept at suppressing his Chi or controlling it like the Z-warriors.

Vegeta did say some beings often used transformations depending on the situation--whether it's for camouflage or conserving energy. So with that, it seems like the idea of certain aliens creating transformations isn't too farfetched. Freeza's a special case, so it really comes down to what you think.

[Fox666]

Yeah, personally I think in order to be called the strongest in the universe he had to beat up his parents and prove it. So he did just that, but didn't come away spotless.

Perhaps it is just because Freeza was measured with a greater battle power? While we haven't seen a Scouter that could handle so much power, we also don't know how he knew his own battle powers was 530,000 in his weakest form.

[Bussani]

Freeza's true form is probably the last form he changes into. Freeza refers to it as such, so it's most likely the form he was born in

The thing about this is that, in anime and manga at least, "true form" can sometimes just mean a being's strongest form. I feel like it wouldn't be too weird for a villain to see Super Saiyan 3 Goku and say: "So, you've finally revealed your true form?" But that said, I still get the impression that Freeza's final form was the form he was born in.

[hleV]

I think that Freeza only did that kind of training which kept his fighting skill up, but didn't get him stronger, as he was born into the strongest in the universe mutant race and didn't really feel the need to toughen up.

[Fox666]

The thing about this is that, in anime and manga at least, "true form" can sometimes just mean a being's strongest form. I feel like it wouldn't be too weird for a villain to see Super Saiyan 3 Goku and say: "So, you've finally revealed your true form?" But that said, I still get the impression that Freeza's final form was the form he was born in.

But Freeza also said he transforms because he has so much power that he can't control it. Wouldn't that mean that he transforms into his weakest forms, not the other way around?

[Bussani]

The thing about this is that, in anime and manga at least, "true form" can sometimes just mean a being's strongest form. I feel like it wouldn't be too weird for a villain to see Super Saiyan 3 Goku and say: "So, you've finally revealed your true form?" But that said, I still get the impression that Freeza's final form was the form he was born in.

But Freeza also said he transforms because he has so much power that he can't control it. Wouldn't that mean that he transforms into his weakest forms, not the other way around?

Hmm. That is how I always interpreted it, but I thought there was an alternate interpretation I couldn't disprove. Looking at it now, it can only be interpreted that alternate way in Viz's translation. So, yeah, I guess it's more clear that his transformations are suppressions in the original dialogue.

That's cool. Good to know.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Freeza's true form is probably the last form he changes into. Freeza refers to it as such, so it's most likely the form he was born in

The thing about this is that, in anime and manga at least, "true form" can sometimes just mean a being's strongest form. I feel like it wouldn't be too weird for a villain to see Super Saiyan 3 Goku and say: "So, you've finally revealed your true form?" But that said, I still get the impression that Freeza's final form was the form he was born in.

Nah, I see what you mean. Freeza's forms are one of those things that can be looked at in so many different ways. He seemed to say certain things about his forms--like his 2nd possessing power that could've been "tough for him to control", which could've been him trying to scare the opposition, or something about the form and the power making him overly aggressive in battle.

With his 3rd, it seemed to be a "rare" form, since he mentions the Z-warriors are the first to see it--and with his final form, he just wanted them to watch the transformation. I might be looking into it a bit much, since we don't have much else for reference--but I always took his dialogue to mean those forms (Freeza's 2nd and 3rd form) were his least used forms, with his initial and final form being the ones he likely had the most experience with.

Might be confusing, but that's just the best way I can explain it. And I see Fox explained it in a less long winded, more clear way, so yeah.

[Fox666]

The thing about this is that, in anime and manga at least, "true form" can sometimes just mean a being's strongest form. I feel like it wouldn't be too weird for a villain to see Super Saiyan 3 Goku and say: "So, you've finally revealed your true form?" But that said, I still get the impression that Freeza's final form was the form he was born in.

But Freeza also said he transforms because he has so much power that he can't control it. Wouldn't that mean that he transforms into his weakest forms, not the other way around?

Hmm. That is how I always interpreted it, but I thought there was an alternate interpretation I couldn't disprove. Looking at it now, it can only be interpreted that alternate way in Viz's translation. So, yeah, I guess it's more clear that his transformations are suppressions in the original dialogue.

That's cool. Good to know.

Well, this is what was said in the original based on the strength checker:

Vegeta: “Among aliens, there are sometimes guys who change their appearance as the need arises…For things like camouflage, or to not deplete their energy…”
Freeza: “In my case it’s different…It’s because my power is too excessive, so that even I can’t properly control it…”

But technically he doesn't specify if this apply to all of his transformations.

[Piccolo Daimao]

With his 3rd, it seemed to be a "rare" form, since he mentions the Z-warriors are the first to see it--and with his final form, he just wanted them to watch the transformation. I might be looking into it a bit much, since we don't have much else for reference--but I always took his dialogue to mean those forms (Freeza's 2nd and 3rd form) were his least used forms, with his initial and final form being the ones he likely had the most experience with.

That's likely, since his final form was presumably the one he was born in (I'd imagine he only would've developed his suppression forms once his power increased with age and he found it too difficult to control his power in his "true form"), and outside of battle, he seems to mostly go around in his first form. He'd probably only have to beef up for his second and third forms if he ever met an opponent that was strong enough to match his first form, which would be rare.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Training? I doubt it, at least not after he created his suppressed forms. He's a bit to aristocratic most of the time, and doesn't really seem like the kind of "guy" who would go around and get his hands that dirty for those sorts of reasons. The best I could see him doing, besides trying to increase the amount of wine he can drink before getting drunk, would possibly be target practice; Death Beaming innocents or insubordinate soldiers on whatever makeshift shooting range he decides on when he's bored. Even that could be viewed as more of a game though...

[dario03]

Yeah, personally I think in order to be called the strongest in the universe he had to beat up his parents and prove it. So he did just that, but didn't come away spotless.

Perhaps it is just because Freeza was measured with a greater battle power? While we haven't seen a Scouter that could handle so much power, we also don't know how he knew his own battle powers was 530,000 in his weakest form.

I think all their scouters could read his 530,000 power level. I don't know what the max power reading a scouter can take but when Vegeta lands on Namek he uses his scouter and finds Freeza with it and Freeza also says that his second form is over a million so they should at least go to that. And if you go by filler there was that long range scouter that picked up Freeza and SS Goku's power before it exploded. But even without filler I think the scouters could go higher than a million, I think its just the rapid raising of a power while scanning someone that gives them bad cases of splosions.

[Saitou Hajime]

Is it possible that through training Frieza could've learned to harness the power of his true form instead of creating weaker forms to suppress himself? Maybe even use the principles of FPSSJ so that he didn't have to bulk up just to use his full power. If so, how much stronger could he have gotten?

[Fox666]

While the anime seems to suggest that Freeza's powers started to steadly decrease of sort after he used his 100%, in the manga it appeared that he was just naturally fatigued.

I think all their scouters could read his 530,000 power level. I don't know what the max power reading a scouter can take but when Vegeta lands on Namek he uses his scouter and finds Freeza with it and Freeza also says that his second form is over a million so they should at least go to that. And if you go by filler there was that long range scouter that picked up Freeza and SS Goku's power before it exploded. But even without filler I think the scouters could go higher than a million, I think its just the rapid raising of a power while scanning someone that gives them bad cases of splosions.

The Daizenshuu repeatedly mention that they explode when they sense a battle power above its processing capabilities. It also adds that the old-models are limited to 22,000, which seems to be true. And since all of these models exploded at 22,000 I guess it makes clear that it is not rapid raising that causes it to explode.

I am not really sure of how they work, but it seems you need to manually analyze the battle power os an individual, so Vegeta is still able to check how many are in Freeza's group without looking at their specific figures.

[dario03]

While the anime seems to suggest that Freeza's powers started to steadly decrease of sort after he used his 100%, in the manga it appeared that he was just naturally fatigued.

I think all their scouters could read his 530,000 power level. I don't know what the max power reading a scouter can take but when Vegeta lands on Namek he uses his scouter and finds Freeza with it and Freeza also says that his second form is over a million so they should at least go to that. And if you go by filler there was that long range scouter that picked up Freeza and SS Goku's power before it exploded. But even without filler I think the scouters could go higher than a million, I think its just the rapid raising of a power while scanning someone that gives them bad cases of splosions.

The Daizenshuu repeatedly mention that they explode when they sense a battle power above its processing capabilities. It also adds that the old-models are limited to 22,000, which seems to be true. And since all of these models exploded at 22,000 I guess it makes clear that it is not rapid raising that causes it to explode.

I am not really sure of how they work, but it seems you need to manually analyze the battle power os an individual, so Vegeta is still able to check how many are in Freeza's group without looking at their specific figures.

Huh, didn't know that, odd design they got there. Was Vegeta using a newer model then? I guess he could of since he got it after getting healed. But when he landed he uses the scouter and then says "There he is, with Zarbon and Dodoria", So I would think Vegeta had scanned them or at least Zarbon and Dodoria and Zarbon is what 23,000. And the newer scouters at least should be capable of scanning a million since Freeza says that his second form is over a million. Or maybe they have larger scouters that you don't wear but are capable of measuring higher power like in that filler scene. That could work since Vegeta knew Zarbon by his power level (though he might of just assumed) and much later on in the newer special Vegeta and Tarble talk about how Abo and Kado were around Ginyu level and are now Freeza level.

[Fox666]

Yeah, the Daizenshuu points out that Vegeta had a new model, like Dodoria.

[Piccolo Daimao]

He and Zarbon spent a lot of time sweating it out in his mother's basement, working their pecs. The soundtrack to Xanadu blasting, as their bodies writhed in heat, their wifebeaters clinging to their rippled abs as they huffed and strained.

Oh, and they did some exercise, too.

I think they pounded some tuna together as well.

[penguintruth]

I know for a fact that neither Freeza nor Zarbon would go near tuna.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I know for a fact that neither Freeza nor Zarbon would go near tuna.

Not even each other's?

[Bando]

While the anime seems to suggest that Freeza's powers started to steadly decrease of sort after he used his 100%, in the manga it appeared that he was just naturally fatigued.

I think it was the same in the manga. 100% power had too much of a toll on Freeza's body so he tired out more quickly, according to Goku.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

Freeza would have to train in order to know how to fly and use ki in the extremely advanced ways that he does. He probably hadn't seriously trained in years though, simply because he was probably confident that no one could ever beat him.

Oob was ridiculously strong (probably even stronger than Freeza), but he had never truly trained in ki battle before, that was why Goku seemed even more anxious to take him under his wing.