Analyzing Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan's Power

[Undertaker]

I think the lack of Aura for most of the fight is a better point. Against Cell he has the aura at various points but against Broly its just when he first transforms and when he gets energy from the others. The difference in the eyes just seem like expressions to me. When Goku is actually fighting in M8 he usually has the serious look in his eyes, he even does when he first transforms. He has the rounded eyes when he is talking which he usually did in a calm/joking manner even though Broly was trying to kill him. However near the end before they give Goku power, Goku is talking serious and has the serious look in his eyes. But he seemed serious during the entire Cell fight (post warm up, at least in Kai). And the rounded eyed expression was the same expression that he had when he quit in his fight against Cell and lost the Aura.

Good point about the aura. Although, M8 Goku has those calm eyes in M8 because he is the same from the 10 days wait in his resting self while he had his Cell Games features in the end because he became stronger than a FPSSjin IMO. Yeah, the aura proves a lot. M9 Gohan had his aura when he fought Bojack's gang.

Since looking at this thread I turned on M8 and skimmed through it and I honestly don't see any difference in Goku's appereance once he recieves all the energy from everybody. To me he looks the same as he did when he first transformed and had the serious look and all the other times that he had the serious look. Is there also a actual difference that you see while he has the serious look or is it just when he has the rounded eyes (since he only shows rounded eyes when not fighting against Cell during the Cell games)

I have already explained it in my big post. Goku only has round eyes in his resting self. Trunks commented how Goku's eyes had changed when he was about to power up which makes the point of M8 Goku ~ 10 days wait/warming up Goku vs Cell. He has different eyes in his powered up state than his 10 days/M8 self. That's all.


We know M8 egeta and Trunks are just 1st Post and the ones who beat Semi Perfect Cell. M8 Piccolo is weaker than them whike Anime Piccolo in the Cell Games is stronger than 1st Post Vegeta and Trunks. Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo are already weaker. Gohan and Goku have their reting features and Gohan is considered weaker than Vegeta and Trunks because he was not known as the strongest until the Cell Games. Goku has the same features of his resting self so he should be at that level. It's not really hard because M8 is Perfect Cell Arc anyway.

The fact is that Cell Games Z Fighters are much stronger than in M8 which refers to the Perfect Cell Arc.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There are not "Resting Super Saiyan" & "Mastered Super Saiyan" forms. It's just one form called Super Saiyan Full Power. When the user reaches this state, he can suppress his battle power to his base form levels, the strain is extremely minimized, and the personality of the user is not consumed by anger, which gives the result of the "round eyes" along with the eyebrows making the ∩ when relaxed, both traits that never appear in any other Super Saiyan form. Of course, the user can make whatever expression he wants in this state. So, the pictures you posted show clearly that both Goku & Gohan are indeed in their Super Saiyan Full Power state.

By the way, Trunks in the you posted doesn't have the "round eyes". His eyebrows are still making the V shape, while Goku's & Gohan's eyebrows make the ∩ shape.

Did you even read what I posted? Gohan and Goku have those eyes because they are Post Rosat but not as powerful as they were vs Cell but in their 10 days wait level.

Cell Games 100% MSSjin Goku > 50% MSSjin Goku > SSjin Goku (10 Days Wait/Warming Up vs Cell) ~ M8 Goku.

Only Resting Goku and Gohan have those eyes while Trunks pointed out Goku's eyes changed after powering up vs Cell. Cell Games Gohan and Goku don't have those eyes in their powered up states but just their resting selves do. I didn't show Trunks because his eyes but because his hair which proves Vegeta and Trunks are 1st Post Rosat in M8 and the ones who beat Semi Perfect Cell.

I'm sorry, I read those parts a few hours ago, so I misunderstood your post.

4. SSJ2 is stated to be just twice as strong as a SSJ in the SEG so Perfect Cell is surely weaker than Movie 8 LSSJ Broly because he was at least over 2X stronger than Movie 8 Goku.

Counter Argument: The SEG is not realible and SSJ2 Kid Gohan being at less than half oof his power vs SPC in the beam struggle clearly debunks the SSJ2=2X SSJ.

Firstly, SEG is a fine and reliable source. If you disagree with its new information, and don't want to include them in your own canon, there is no problem. But saying that it's unreliable just because you disagree?
Secondly, Gohan wasn't so much stronger than Cell just because of the Super Saiyan 2 power boost, but also because of his rage boost. When Gohan won the beam struggle, it was because Vegeta distracted Cell, and because Gohan fired all of his remaining power at once, probably drawing some extra power from his rage.

This is a Movie 10 drawing from the Daizenshuu which shows Gohan as a SSJ and Goku's hair like SSJ style.




However, this is another Daizenshuu drawing which shows Goku like a SSJ2. However, Goten's hair also stands more than normal. That proves that posters like that from the Daizenshuu can't be taken too seriously because they contradict themselves all the time.

But... I'm sure I can see Super Saiyan 2 Goku & Gohan there... Maybe the air is pushing their hair, but their definitely don't look like their normal Super Saiyan hair.
Also, the Daizenshuu doesn't contradict themselves all the time, but sometimes.

And about all the stuff that "if it's not in the anime, then it will not be in the movie, ever", you are wrong.
Movie 3 showed us Kaio-ken x10 before the manga. How did the movie creators know about it?
Movie 4 showed the (supposed) Super Saiyan form before its debut in the manga. When Vegeta, Freeza, and Ginyu were talking about the Super Saiyan legend before its debut, it was never classified as a transformation. They thought that a Super Saiyan was just a super-duper strong Saiyan. In movie 4, however, we saw a transformation. How did the movie creators know that it was going to be a transformation involving golden/yellow colors?
Movie 6 showed us Dende at the position of Kami before the manga. How did they know?

How did they know about all these? Obviously, they asked Toriyama. Which means that M8 Goku could or could not be as strong as he is during the Cell Games, and M10 Goku could or could not be a SS2. We can't know for sure.

And also, there are not "Captain Ginyu" or "Imperfect Cell" arcs in Japan, so the movies are not based nessesarily on one arc each.

[Gonstead]

Haven't read much of the thread yet but I wanted to point something out about your comparison between the first 2 Gohan pictures.

The second one is a pretty bad example to use since It makes him appear older than he should be at that point. In fact, he doesn't even look really any different between Movie 8 and the Cell games.

I'd suggest using an alternate screenshot. Maybe something like this.

[Undertaker]

There are not "Resting Super Saiyan" & "Mastered Super Saiyan" forms. It's just one form called Super Saiyan Full Power. When the user reaches this state, he can suppress his battle power to his base form levels, the strain is extremely minimized, and the personality of the user is not consumed by anger, which gives the result of the "round eyes" along with the eyebrows making the ∩ when relaxed, both traits that never appear in any other Super Saiyan form. Of course, the user can make whatever expression he wants in this state. So, the pictures you posted show clearly that both Goku & Gohan are indeed in their Super Saiyan Full Power state.

By the way, Trunks in the you posted doesn't have the "round eyes". His eyebrows are still making the V shape, while Goku's & Gohan's eyebrows make the ∩ shape.

Did you even read what I posted? Gohan and Goku have those eyes because they are Post Rosat but not as powerful as they were vs Cell but in their 10 days wait level.

Cell Games 100% MSSjin Goku > 50% MSSjin Goku > SSjin Goku (10 Days Wait/Warming Up vs Cell) ~ M8 Goku.

Only Resting Goku and Gohan have those eyes while Trunks pointed out Goku's eyes changed after powering up vs Cell. Cell Games Gohan and Goku don't have those eyes in their powered up states but just their resting selves do. I didn't show Trunks because his eyes but because his hair which proves Vegeta and Trunks are 1st Post Rosat in M8 and the ones who beat Semi Perfect Cell.

I'm sorry, I read those parts a few hours ago, so I misunderstood your post.

4. SSJ2 is stated to be just twice as strong as a SSJ in the SEG so Perfect Cell is surely weaker than Movie 8 LSSJ Broly because he was at least over 2X stronger than Movie 8 Goku.

Counter Argument: The SEG is not realible and SSJ2 Kid Gohan being at less than half oof his power vs SPC in the beam struggle clearly debunks the SSJ2=2X SSJ.

Firstly, SEG is a fine and reliable source. If you disagree with its new information, and don't want to include them in your own canon, there is no problem. But saying that it's unreliable just because you disagree?
Secondly, Gohan wasn't so much stronger than Cell just because of the Super Saiyan 2 power boost, but also because of his rage boost. When Gohan won the beam struggle, it was because Vegeta distracted Cell, and because Gohan fired all of his remaining power at once, probably drawing some extra power from his rage.

This is a Movie 10 drawing from the Daizenshuu which shows Gohan as a SSJ and Goku's hair like SSJ style.




However, this is another Daizenshuu drawing which shows Goku like a SSJ2. However, Goten's hair also stands more than normal. That proves that posters like that from the Daizenshuu can't be taken too seriously because they contradict themselves all the time.

But... I'm sure I can see Super Saiyan 2 Goku & Gohan there... Maybe the air is pushing their hair, but their definitely don't look like their normal Super Saiyan hair.
Also, the Daizenshuu doesn't contradict themselves all the time, but sometimes.

And about all the stuff that "if it's not in the anime, then it will not be in the movie, ever", you are wrong.
Movie 3 showed us Kaio-ken x10 before the manga. How did the movie creators know about it?
Movie 4 showed the (supposed) Super Saiyan form before its debut in the manga. When Vegeta, Freeza, and Ginyu were talking about the Super Saiyan legend before its debut, it was never classified as a transformation. They thought that a Super Saiyan was just a super-duper strong Saiyan. In movie 4, however, we saw a transformation. How did the movie creators know that it was going to be a transformation involving golden/yellow colors?
Movie 6 showed us Dende at the position of Kami before the manga. How did they know?

How did they know about all these? Obviously, they asked Toriyama. Which means that M8 Goku could or could not be as strong as he is during the Cell Games, and M10 Goku could or could not be a SS2. We can't know for sure.

And also, there are not "Captain Ginyu" or "Imperfect Cell" arcs in Japan, so the movies are not based nessesarily on one arc each.

Other concepts art show Goku as a SSjin so it contradicts itself. I have already addressed M4 and M3 in my big post. As for M6, that's a huge mystery. Dende never even appeared in the Manga. Sure, Toei had the knowledge but they overall make their facts in the Anime before in the movie. It's a fact that Cell Games Z Fighters are far stronger than in M8 based on the things I have said and their appearance. It's not even debatable. Not even Cell Games Vegeta or Trunks fought a Cell Jr in the Manga when M8 was made. Any movie refers to any arc is actually true.

M1 is Raditz Arc.
M2 is Vegeta Arc.
M3 is Namek Arc.
M4 is Ginyu Arc
M5 is Frieza Arx
M6 is Androids Arc
M7 is Imperfect Cell Arc
M8 is Perfect Cell Arc
M9 is Cell Games Arc
Etc etc...

The SEG has errors and Gohan was able to hold his own vs Cell so SSjin 2 is clearly not 2X SSjin. Goku was not SSjin 2 in M10 as he was barely in the Manga and Gohan only went SSjin 2 in the end. M8 being based on the arc after Cell went perfect is a fact. The entire movie has all the scnes from that arc because it was amde and based on it. M8 LSSjin Broly ~ Cell Games FPSSjin Goku is highly implied IMO going by evidence and Toei.

[Undertaker]

Haven't read much of the thread yet but I wanted to point something out about your comparison between the first 2 Gohan pictures.

The second one is a pretty bad example to use since It makes him appear older than he should be at that point. In fact, he doesn't even look really any different between Movie 8 and the Cell games.

I'd suggest using an alternate screenshot. Maybe something like this.

Correct, you just showed Resting Gohan, the one from the 10 days wait who is much weaker than his powered up form. Thanks for proving my point.

They are no different? You must be blind then. Gohan wore his Pre Rosat outfit and has his 10 days features just like Goku. Plus, he was considered a the weakest because M8 Gohan is based on the Gohan who was resting.

The picture you showed his Resting Gohan just like Resting Goku before he powered up vs Cell. Those are Gohan and Goku from M8. You would have known it if you read my post which you didn't. Cell Games Gohan never even existed.


Cell Games 100% MSSjin Goku > 50% MSSjin Goku (Power Up vs Korrin) > Resting SSjin Goku (10 Days Wait/Warming Up vs Cell) ~ M8 Goku.

[Gonstead]

This shot of Gohan only ever appeared once. Are you honestly saying you think he looks like this for the entire fight?

[hleV]

But... I'm sure I can see Super Saiyan 2 Goku & Gohan there... Maybe the air is pushing their hair, but their definitely don't look like their normal Super Saiyan hair.

To me it looks the opposite - totally like SSJ hair (for Goku at least), just with 1 bang.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's a fact that Cell Games Z Fighters are far stronger than in M8 based on the things I have said and their appearance. It's not even debatable. Not even Cell Games Vegeta or Trunks fought a Cell Jr in the Manga when M8 was made.

While I agree with you, one could say that only Goku's power is equal to Cell Games Goku, unlike the rest.

The SEG has errors

Like?

Gohan was able to hold his own vs Cell so SSjin 2 is clearly not 2X SSjin.

Did you read all of my post? Gohan didn't just receive the x2 boost from SS2, he also received another, huge boost from his anger. Gohan's power goes up more than two times when he gets really angered, as we saw against Raditz & Freeza.

Goku was not SSjin 2 in M10 as he was barely in the Manga

I believe that he was because his hair changed and Goten's didn't. Like I said before, it will not be the first time that the movies will show things before happening in the manga. There are illustrations that show Goku & Gohan as Super Saiyans because they were Super Saiyans during most of the beam struggle. There are others that show them with Super Saiyan 2/pushed by the air Super Saiyan hair, because that's what they looked like in they gave their all. You can believe that the hair were just pushed by the air, I can believe that they were SS2. Neither of us can prove if we are correct or wrong, so let's just agree that we disagree.

[Undertaker]

This shot of Gohan only ever appeared once. Are you honestly saying you think he looks like this for the entire fight?

When did I say it? t never appeared once though.

[Undertaker]

But... I'm sure I can see Super Saiyan 2 Goku & Gohan there... Maybe the air is pushing their hair, but their definitely don't look like their normal Super Saiyan hair.

To me it looks the opposite - totally like SSJ hair (for Goku at least), just with 1 bang.

I have already explained why he is not SSjin 2 though. His SSjin 2 doesn't have one bang to begin with.

[hleV]

I have already explained why he is not SSjin 2 though. His SSjin 2 doesn't have one bang to begin with.

Toei didn't know how Goku would look as a SSJ2 at that time as he hadn't had appeared in the manga yet (or am I misinformed?), so it's possible that they just gave him one bang, like SSJ2 Gohan's. Or maybe they just forgotten/decided not to draw the other hair. It's true that it's a little weird for Goten to have normal SSJ hair and for Goku only one bang.

[Gonstead]

This shot of Gohan only ever appeared once. Are you honestly saying you think he looks like this for the entire fight?

When did I say it? t never appeared once though.

You are comparing this shot to the one in M8 as a means of describing why Gohan looks so different between the two fights when in reality M8 Gohan and Cell Games Gohan are one in the same in terms of looks.

[Undertaker]

It's a fact that Cell Games Z Fighters are far stronger than in M8 based on the things I have said and their appearance. It's not even debatable. Not even Cell Games Vegeta or Trunks fought a Cell Jr in the Manga when M8 was made.

While I agree with you, one could say that only Goku's power is equal to Cell Games Goku, unlike the rest.

The SEG has errors

Like?

Gohan was able to hold his own vs Cell so SSjin 2 is clearly not 2X SSjin.

Did you read all of my post? Gohan didn't just receive the x2 boost from SS2, he also received another, huge boost from his anger. Gohan's power goes up more than two times when he gets really angered, as we saw against Raditz & Freeza.

Goku was not SSjin 2 in M10 as he was barely in the Manga

I believe that he was because his hair changed and Goten's didn't. Like I said before, it will not be the first time that the movies will show things before happening in the manga. There are illustrations that show Goku & Gohan as Super Saiyans because they were Super Saiyans during most of the beam struggle. There are others that show them with Super Saiyan 2/pushed by the air Super Saiyan hair, because that's what they looked like in they gave their all. You can believe that the hair were just pushed by the air, I can believe that they were SS2. Neither of us can prove if we are correct or wrong, so let's just agree that we disagree.

While I agree with you, one could say that only Goku's power is equal to Cell Games Goku, unlike the rest.

Those who are overall idiots from YouTube or Gamespots who don't know a thing about this subject and also have no proof. Evidence proves that they are much weaker and it's deadly obvious by the time line of the movie when he was made and how Goku looked. The date releases and how the Manga never even revealed some parts of it like Vegeta and Trunks fighting the Cell Jrs. It's not even debatable.

Like?

The battle powers there are sometimes wrong and such. SSjin 2 is clearly not 2X SSjin.

Did you read all of my post? Gohan didn't just receive the x2 boost from SS2, he also received another, huge boost from his anger. Gohan's power goes up more than two times when he gets really angered, as we saw against Raditz & Freeza.

I know but I am talking about the part when he was struggling before using his hidden powers in the end and he was able to
hold his own while using 50% of his ki.

Goku was not SSjin 2 in M10 as he was barely in the Manga

I believe that he was because his hair changed and Goten's didn't. Like I said before, it will not be the first time that the movies will show things before happening in the manga. There are illustrations that show Goku & Gohan as Super Saiyans because they were Super Saiyans during most of the beam struggle. There are others that show them with Super Saiyan 2/pushed by the air Super Saiyan hair, because that's what they looked like in they gave their all. You can believe that the hair were just pushed by the air, I can believe that they were SS2. Neither of us can prove if we are correct or wrong, so let's just agree that we disagree.[/quote]

I have addressed the claims of M4 and M3 so no. I am still on the whole Goku not being able to go SSjin 2 in M10 becuase the Manga revealed it a few days before. M12 never showed SSjin 3 Gotenks or Mystic Gohan because it never appeared in the Anime while it was in the Manga.

[Undertaker]

I have already explained why he is not SSjin 2 though. His SSjin 2 doesn't have one bang to begin with.

Toei didn't know how Goku would look as a SSJ2 at that time as he hadn't had appeared in the manga yet (or am I misinformed?), so it's possible that they just gave him one bang, like SSJ2 Gohan's. Or maybe they just forgotten/decided not to draw the other hair. It's true that it's a little weird for Goten to have normal SSJ hair and for Goku only one bang.

Exactly! He was barely in the Manga so it would be stupid for him to be in a non canon movie. SSjin 2 Goku doesn't have just 1 bang and I showed how he had 1 bang based on the fact when he powers up to max. As for Goten, it's another thing I have explained as well.

[Undertaker]

This shot of Gohan only ever appeared once. Are you honestly saying you think he looks like this for the entire fight?

When did I say it? t never appeared once though.

You are comparing this shot to the one in M8 as a means of describing why Gohan looks so different between the two fights when in reality M8 Gohan and Cell Games Gohan are one in the same in terms of looks.

They are not the same at all. M8 Gohan looks younger, has his Pre Rosat outfit , his 10 days features like Goku and considered weaker than Trunks and Vegeta. Toei obviously copied Gohan and Goku's look and strength from the 10 days wait when they rested as Cell Games Goku vs Cell was not made by them in the Anime.

Cell Games Goku And Gohan >> 10 Days Wait/Perfect Cell Arc Goku And Gohan.

You don't know what I mean because you never read my post.

[hleV]

Toei didn't know how Goku would look as a SSJ2 at that time as he hadn't had appeared in the manga yet (or am I misinformed?), so it's possible that they just gave him one bang, like SSJ2 Gohan's. Or maybe they just forgotten/decided not to draw the other hair. It's true that it's a little weird for Goten to have normal SSJ hair and for Goku only one bang.

Exactly! He was barely in the Manga so it would be stupid for him to be in a non canon movie. SSjin 2 Goku doesn't have just 1 bang and I showed how he had 1 bang based on the fact when he powers up to max. As for Goten, it's another thing I have explained as well.

I've marked the key point of my post, as you didn't seem to address it.

I am still on the whole Goku not being able to go SSjin 2 in M10 becuase the Manga revealed it a few days before.

Goku went "SSJ" in M4 before he went SSJ in the manga, proving that Toei can come up with their own "SSJ" (in this case SSJ2 Goku only having 1 bang) and rendering your argument invalid. I'm not claiming that Goku was SSJ2 in M10, but it's possible (again, the difference between Goku & Goten's hair).

They are not the same at all. M8 Gohan looks younger, has his Pre Rosat outfit , his 10 days features like Goku and considered weaker than Trunks and Vegeta.

Besides the outfits (which I wouldn't take as a factor), CG and M8 Gohan is actually the same. Keep in mind that DBZ had a bunch of different artists who drew characters differently.

[Kaboom]

The posts in this thread are long enough as it is, so can we make sure we're editing combined replies instead of multi-posting? Thanks.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I have already explained why he is not SSjin 2 though. His SSjin 2 doesn't have one bang to begin with.

Toei didn't know how Goku would look as a SSJ2 at that time as he hadn't had appeared in the manga yet (or am I misinformed?), so it's possible that they just gave him one bang, like SSJ2 Gohan's. Or maybe they just forgotten/decided not to draw the other hair. It's true that it's a little weird for Goten to have normal SSJ hair and for Goku only one bang.

What hleV said. It's possible that his Super Saiyan 2 form in Movie 10 is inconsistent, like his Super Saiyan form was inconsistent in Movie 4.

As for Goten, it's another thing I have explained as well.

It doesn't mean that what you said is true. Why would Goten's hair be so special? Goku's hair don't always stand up from the air, it just didn't happen to Goten because he didn't have many fights.

[Undertaker]

Toei didn't know how Goku would look as a SSJ2 at that time as he hadn't had appeared in the manga yet (or am I misinformed?), so it's possible that they just gave him one bang, like SSJ2 Gohan's. Or maybe they just forgotten/decided not to draw the other hair. It's true that it's a little weird for Goten to have normal SSJ hair and for Goku only one bang.

Exactly! He was barely in the Manga so it would be stupid for him to be in a non canon movie. SSjin 2 Goku doesn't have just 1 bang and I showed how he had 1 bang based on the fact when he powers up to max. As for Goten, it's another thing I have explained as well.

I've marked the key point of my post, as you didn't seem to address it.

I am still on the whole Goku not being able to go SSjin 2 in M10 becuase the Manga revealed it a few days before.

Goku went "SSJ" in M4 before he went SSJ in the manga, proving that Toei can come up with their own "SSJ" (in this case SSJ2 Goku only having 1 bang) and rendering your argument invalid. I'm not claiming that Goku was SSJ2 in M10, but it's possible (again, the difference between Goku & Goten's hair).

They are not the same at all. M8 Gohan looks younger, has his Pre Rosat outfit , his 10 days features like Goku and considered weaker than Trunks and Vegeta.

Besides the outfits (which I wouldn't take as a factor), CG and M8 Gohan is actually the same. Keep in mind that DBZ had a bunch of different artists who drew characters differently.

Nothing says they gave him 1 bang like Gohan and again, I have addressed it in my big post.

I have also addressed M4 and Goten and Goku so again, read what I posted. At least the parts we are debating now because I have explained it.

The outfit is a factor. M8 Gohan features are like in his 10 days wait and not like his powered up form when he fought Cell and was also considered weaker than Vegeta and Trunks who are just 1st Post and you tell me there is no difference? LOL. Cell Games Gohan was not even made when M8 started producing. Since it's a fact that M9/Cell Games Z Fighters >> M8/Perfect Cell Arc Z Fighters, I don't think i have to explain it and since you didn't read my post so it makes it harder.

[Undertaker]

I have already explained why he is not SSjin 2 though. His SSjin 2 doesn't have one bang to begin with.

Toei didn't know how Goku would look as a SSJ2 at that time as he hadn't had appeared in the manga yet (or am I misinformed?), so it's possible that they just gave him one bang, like SSJ2 Gohan's. Or maybe they just forgotten/decided not to draw the other hair. It's true that it's a little weird for Goten to have normal SSJ hair and for Goku only one bang.

What hleV said. It's possible that his Super Saiyan 2 form in Movie 10 is inconsistent, like his Super Saiyan form was inconsistent in Movie 4.

As for Goten, it's another thing I have explained as well.

It doesn't mean that what you said is true. Why would Goten's hair be so special? Goku's hair don't always stand up from the air, it just didn't happen to Goten because he didn't have many fights.

The only reason why Goku had appeared as a SSJ is because Movie 4 is based on the Ginyu Saga where Vegeta describes Goku as the SSJ. This is why King Kai's words are the same like Vegeta when he saw Goku on Namek. There were statements about SSJ Goku in the Anime while there is absolutely no statement or hint in the Anime that Goku has SSJ2. Plus, it's not like Toei showed the real SSJ design. They just showed their own form based on the Ginyu Saga events.

Goten's hair doesn't stand though as I said before and again, I showed the difference between powered up SSjin Goku to SSjin 2 Goku. When Goku goes to max power, he has 1 bang which is not a SSjin 2. SSjin 2 has 1 bang and two small bangs in the sides. M10 was revealed a few days after SSjin 2 Goku was in the Manga so it makes no sense he used it in M10. SSjin 2 Goku also beat Broly in hell in the end of M11. Interestingly, SSjin 2 Goku existed at that time.