Vegito vs Gogeta

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Re: Vegito vs Gogeta

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:40 pm

Elder Kai even explains how better this fusion is. I realise Manga vs. Anime dialogue probably differ, from scene to scene. But based on the show, Elder Kai tells Goku that once powered up, you cannot power down and the amount of power could be dangerous to your body if you are not "careful" with it.

Heck, Kai even recommended to Goku not to even use Super Saiyan. Well, he did fine with it, but imagine if he had gone SSJ2 or beyond? We saw how Gotenks easily obtains SSJ3; but I don't think Vegito could handle it. Based on how Potara fusion is being carried on; sounds at least 5x stronger than Gogeta.

I have Gogeta/Gotenks at 100x base (Trunks had to lower his power to match Gotens, so 100x base Goten) then from there on, SSJ > 50x, SSJ2 > 2x, SSJ3 > 5x.
Gotenks here can handle 50,000x power multiplication, without strain. They were SSJ3 as children. and them being young I believe would make their power less "capable" compared to 2 adults fused together. This means Gogeta can probably reach SSJ3. Seeing how neither Goten or Trunks could ascend beyond the first SSJ level by themselves.

I have Vegito at around 500x or 1000x base (Goku did not have to lower his power for Vegeta in this case, different kind of fusion. My assumption is that the ear rings draw power from the dominant rival, Goku. So 1000x base Goku here) then you know my other SSJ multipliers. However as you all witnessed, Vegito only bothered with SSJ1. But this is already 50,000x here, which could be a reason why Vegito was hesitant to use any more power than he had.

My 1000x base multiplication for Vegito also has to make sense, because what was Vegito accomplishing in the Anime? Toying with Super Buuhan at BASE form.
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Re: Vegito vs Gogeta

Post by Bussani » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:45 am

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Elder Kai even explains how better this fusion is. I realise Manga vs. Anime dialogue probably differ, from scene to scene. But based on the show, Elder Kai tells Goku that once powered up, you cannot power down and the amount of power could be dangerous to your body if you are not "careful" with it.

Heck, Kai even recommended to Goku not to even use Super Saiyan. Well, he did fine with it, but imagine if he had gone SSJ2 or beyond? We saw how Gotenks easily obtains SSJ3; but I don't think Vegito could handle it.
You've got this a bit muddled. The Elder Kaioshin only tells Goku that he shouldn't be a Super Saiyan before fusing with potara, because then the fusion would be permanently Super Saiyan, and this would shorten his lifespan. He then tells him that they can go Super Saiyan after fusing just fine, but that they probably won't need to, since they'll be so powerful anyway.

I'm pretty sure the Japanese version of the anime doesn't rewrite that part, so you could be using a less than accurate translation.
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Re: Vegito vs Gogeta

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:02 am

Bussani wrote:
Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Elder Kai even explains how better this fusion is. I realise Manga vs. Anime dialogue probably differ, from scene to scene. But based on the show, Elder Kai tells Goku that once powered up, you cannot power down and the amount of power could be dangerous to your body if you are not "careful" with it.

Heck, Kai even recommended to Goku not to even use Super Saiyan. Well, he did fine with it, but imagine if he had gone SSJ2 or beyond? We saw how Gotenks easily obtains SSJ3; but I don't think Vegito could handle it.
You've got this a bit muddled. The Elder Kaioshin only tells Goku that he shouldn't be a Super Saiyan before fusing with potara, because then the fusion would be permanently Super Saiyan, and this would shorten his lifespan. He then tells him that they can go Super Saiyan after fusing just fine, but that they probably won't need to, since they'll be so powerful anyway.

I'm pretty sure the Japanese version of the anime doesn't rewrite that part, so you could be using a less than accurate translation.
I think its not the translation at fault, I simply haven't seen this episode in a little while. You're right about this. I watched it again, and Elder Kai says exactly this. :oops: haha
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