Janenba vs Gokuu

[ドラゴ]

Didn't Janemba knock Son Goku out of SS3? And isn't the SS3 transformation meant to be 100% since he's dead? That automatically makes him stronger than Kid Boo and around Super Boo or Boohan level, I'm not sure out of the two though.

Why the heck would SSJ3 Goku be anywhere near Super Buu just because he is dead?

Lol what? You've lost me entirely

I think you misunderstood the sentence - Janemba being around Superboo or Boohan level, not Son Goku.

[Kamiccolo9]

But then how did SSJ1/2 Vegeta do so well, then? Maybe Janenba is around Pure Buu.

What makes you think that Vegeta did well? He caught Janemba off guard once, and it accomplished nothing. Janemba was playing with him just like he did Goku.

Hirudegaan's said to be stronger than Janenba, but he managed to defeat him. SSJ2 Vegeta was able to fight him decently momentarily. Janenba teleported Gokuu's ki blast back to him and injured him; Vegeta saw through that and was able to do some damage, so Janenba must be somewhere between SSJ1/2 Vegeta and SSJ3 Gokuu.

Are you trying to say he's weaker than Goku? Aside from a few hits at the beginning of the fight, Janemba spent the whole time laughing at him. Neither Goku or Vegeta managed to inflict any damage. The Hirudegarn thing has already been addressed, but Janemba being stronger than him would put him into the realms of the stronger Super Buus at the least.

[Amuro Ray]

Buuhan = Janaemba? That puts Goku near base Vegetto Level - Probably about right.

[Kamiccolo9]

Buuhan = Janaemba? That puts Goku near base Vegetto Level - Probably about right.

How so? The only indication we have of base Vegito's strength is from the anime, and Goku is nowhere near that level of strength. And if Vegito is Goku x Vegeta, there is no way that even SSJ3 Goku comes anywhere close to being in the same realm of power as base Vegeto.

[Draken]

Buuhan = Janaemba? That puts Goku near base Vegetto Level - Probably about right.

How so? The only indication we have of base Vegito's strength is from the anime, and Goku is nowhere near that level of strength. And if Vegito is Goku x Vegeta, there is no way that even SSJ3 Goku comes anywhere close to being in the same realm of power as base Vegeto.

Nope, Goku alone is definitely worth Goku x any number higher than 1.

In all seriousness, I have no idea where Amuro Ray is getting his logic from and he def seems to be just trolling now ._. Sorry admins.

Goku got completely demolished by Janemba anyways and didn't scratch him, and movie logic reflecting current anime logic, Fat Janemba = Fat Buu, Super Janemba = Super Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

Nope. Officially, according to Toei, Janemba is stronger than Hirudegarn. Hirudegarn is stronger than Ultimate Gohan, which makes our favorite silly demon WAY stronger than Super Buu.

Also remember that the SS3 Goku Janemba fought was not the canon version, who's basically a bug compared to the awesome powers of Super Buu, Gotenks, and especially Ultimate Gohan. This is the Toei-haxxed version, the same one that knocked out Ultimate Gohan with one punch in Buu's mind after explicitly saying he had the same power as regular Gohan, the same one who was fighting evenly with the being that in the anime was explicitly stated as being stronger than Buuhan, the same one who was able to beat a monster that one hit KO'd Ultimate Gohan, et cetera.

[Darkprince410]

Buuhan = Janaemba? That puts Goku near base Vegetto Level - Probably about right.

There's no way of knowing where Janemba is in terms of power. All we know is that he's stronger than Ssj3 Goku and significantly weaker than Ssj Gogeta. If you want to use Buu as reference, that could put him anywhere amidst the forms of Evil Buus, since Evil Buu is stronger than Ssj3 Goku and, while weaker, I wouldn't put Ssj Gogeta as being that much weaker than Ssj Vegetto.

Given that Ssj3 Goku was willing to jump in and attack him without much though, I'd say that Janemba is probably somewhere between Pure Buu and Evil Buu in terms of power. He was strong enough that Goku wasn't able to take him, but weak enough that Goku must have thought he stood some sort of a chance. That and he was able to deliver some blows that seemed to somewhat faze Janemba, even if it was brief.

[Saitou Hajime]

Janenba didn't appear to do that much damage to SSJ3 Goku until he pulled out that haxed sword. Point black energy attacks only managed to singe Goku a bit.

[Amuro Ray]

SSJ3 has to be powerful enough to be near Base Gogeta level, considering they went SSJ to finish Janenba - Base form wouldn't be enough.

[Draken]

SSJ3 has to be powerful enough to be near Base Gogeta level, considering they went SSJ to finish Janenba - Base form wouldn't be enough.

SSJ effortlessly stomped while SSJ3 got effortlessly stomped while Janemba was arguably not at full power. (When Gogeta first arrives Janemba flashes his aura in what is a typical power up scene). However, your point may be true as a 50x multiplier from base to SSJ is pretty huge and it's possible base wouldn't have put up a better fight than SSJ3 Goku.

[Hitiro]

SSJ3 has to be powerful enough to be near Base Gogeta level, considering they went SSJ to finish Janenba - Base form wouldn't be enough.

Or, considering they had no idea how much power the base fusion would have because they've never done a fusion before then going for the strongest option, SSJ Gogeta, was the safest bet to kill off Janemba.

[Darkprince410]

SSJ3 has to be powerful enough to be near Base Gogeta level, considering they went SSJ to finish Janenba - Base form wouldn't be enough.

I'd say your point would have some validity if he started off in his base form, then transformed into a Super Saiya-jin. However, from what we see, there's no indicator he transformed after the two fused at all, and that he immediately formed AS a Super Saiya-jin.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Well unless we are assuming fusion yields a greater result than A + B x 200, we have to assume Ssj3 Goku is stronger than base Gogeta for obvious reasons.

[Draken]

Well unless we are assuming fusion yields a greater result than A + B x 200, we have to assume Ssj3 Goku is stronger than base Gogeta for obvious reasons.

In metamor fusion there is no "A" or "B" though, seeing as they have to be the same power unlike potara, so it'd pretty much be Ax400 wouldn't it? Aka exact same as SSJ3 lol.

[DannyDBZfanforever]

My the movies universe:

Goku > Gohan (Ultimate)
Janemba > Goku > Fat Janemba
Gogeta SSJ1> Janemba > Goku > Hirudegarn > Gohan > Half Hirudegarn ( )


Going by the information from the Toei site. And we all know how Toei forget the manga information, in the continuity of the films.

[Amuro Ray]

My the movies universe:

Goku > Gohan (Ultimate)
Janemba > Goku > Fat Janemba
Gogeta SSJ1> Janemba > Goku > Hirudegarn > Gohan > Half Hirudegarn ( )


Going by the information from the Toei site. And we all know how Toei forget the manga information, in the continuity of the films.

I was always under the impressions that AT designed a lot of fillers to the shows himself and pointed Toei in the direction he wanted to take the story.

[Kamiccolo9]

My the movies universe:

Goku > Gohan (Ultimate)
Janemba > Goku > Fat Janemba
Gogeta SSJ1> Janemba > Goku > Hirudegarn > Gohan > Half Hirudegarn ( )


Going by the information from the Toei site. And we all know how Toei forget the manga information, in the continuity of the films.

I was always under the impressions that AT designed a lot of fillers to the shows himself and pointed Toei in the direction he wanted to take the story.

I'm not so sure. I know he did some, like Yamcha being a baseball player in the Saiyan Arc, but so much of the filler blatantly contradicts the manga that most of the time, it seems like it was just Toei making up things as they went.

[Darkprince410]

My the movies universe:

Goku > Gohan (Ultimate)
Janemba > Goku > Fat Janemba
Gogeta SSJ1> Janemba > Goku > Hirudegarn > Gohan > Half Hirudegarn ( )


Going by the information from the Toei site. And we all know how Toei forget the manga information, in the continuity of the films.

I was always under the impressions that AT designed a lot of fillers to the shows himself and pointed Toei in the direction he wanted to take the story.

There were a few cases of filler that he assisted in, such as what was mentioned in regards to Yamucha's early pro-baseball career shown in the Saiya-jin Saga. Most filler though was done without his input, which is why there are so many blatant contradictions throughout the anime