"Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Fizzer » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:06 pm

The series is fairly well paced up until roughly around the time that Tao Pai Pai appears. I enjoy most of the filler that fleshes out the story, such as that in the Emperor Pilaf arc and the extra events in the tournaments, and there's very little of that that I'd want to remove (really just the roaming lake, Husky, Professor Frappe, Wedding Dress arc, InoShikaCho). A general stream-lining of the series to reduce staring and shit-spouting contests and things like that would be nice, as by the 22nd Tenkaichi Bodoukai arc we've hit the point where nothing happens for entire half-episodes at a time, and fights are significantly longer than they should be considering the amount of stuff that happens in them.

I would really like a Kai version of DB. If it was fairly true to manga like the Kai that we have and removed nearly all filler, I could just switch between the two when I saw fit, which is what I like to do with Z and Kai.

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Metalwario64 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:56 pm

Jackal puFF wrote:I didn't really like that episode where Tenshinhan went apologizing to his victims..
That was one of my favorite Tenshinhan moments.

I like most of the Dragon Ball filler after the Red Ribbon Army-arc. I also really liked when Goku and Yajirobe were journeying through the ice caverns in the Demon King Piccolo-arc.

I'm fine with the original Dragon Ball, then going to Kai.
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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Ringworm128 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:49 pm

If there was a Funi dub I would want them to bring Nadalony back, I may be on the fence as to which Gohan I prefer but I definitely know which Kid Goku voice I prefer. Another thing I would love to see is Chuck Huber voicing Crane Hermit again but with a more toned down voice/performance, sort of like Michael Soric's Gen voice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT5aBHvlPD4

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by ABED » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:14 pm

It baffles me that anyone would prefer Stephanie's Goku over Colleen's. Sure, Colleen was only Goku for movie 1, but it was 1 movie too few. Her Goku voice is smooth and melifluous whereas Stephanie's Goku voice is course and raspy and the cadence is unnatural, and that laugh *shudder*. Give Colleen another try, she's great.
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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:50 am

Colleen Clinkenbeard's Goku just seems to be lacking something, a certain charm that Nadalony has in her Goku voice, and I also think the rasp actually works, it gives Goku even more of a wild jungle boy vibe.

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by CaBrPi » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:38 am

I just don't think Nadolny sounds anything remotely close to a real child. Colleen's take isn't perfect... but it's much closer.

And while I do agree that her take on Goku lacks a certain something... I definitely think she could do it if she tried. Like, if she added a little bit more Luffy into her Goku... :P

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by B » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:50 pm

The problem I have with that is Nozawa's Goku in DB is very specific from the older one... I wouldn't want Clinkenbeard to sound too much like 17-year-old Luffy.
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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Jackal puFF » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:57 am

Goku just sounds like a little girl with Colleen voicing him..

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by matt0044 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:59 am

Jackal puFF wrote:Goku just sounds like a little girl with Colleen voicing him..
Well, his family jewels do look smaller than a golf ball...

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by ABED » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:27 am

Saffron Henderson was perfect as Goku. She's one rung below Nozawa. That's how much I hold that voice dear.
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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Big Momma » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:22 pm

For some reason, while I hate Nadalony's voice on Gohan, I like it on young Goku. At least in terms of acting, I feel like she got his childlike innocence down. I'll have to watch Movie 1 again to see Clickenbeards, but I wouldn't mind if Nadolony were chosen again for Goku. Maybe tone back the raspiness a bit, but the acting was great.
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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Nikkolas » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:12 pm

I bought Curse of the Blood Rubies specifically to hear Ms. Clinkenbeard's Kid Goku. I'm not very far into the movie but so far it sounds pretty much like her Gohan only a little different. She's clearly trying to differentiate the two voices but I'm not sure how. Her Goku just sounds like an off Gohan.
Maybe once i finish the movie I can figure out what's so different about the two voices to my ears.

Nadolny's acting certainly improved by the time of DB but she also lost a significant amount of the "gravel" in her voice for the role, compared to her Gohan. People throw around "raspiness" a lot when referring to her roles but every woman who voices a boy in the dub has a raspy voice. It all just depends on what you do with it. Nadolny's Goku compared to her Gohan is significantly different as, while they're both still raspy, the former is not nearly as rough. It's higher and smoother and fits Goku's more carefree attitude IMO.

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by MR.Mark » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:10 pm

I would be up for a..um,Dragon Ball Kai.

Seriously though, Z needed it a lot more, but Dragon ball's pacing got a little ruff near the end. Goku's fight with younger Piccolo felt way to Z-like for my tastes.

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by SilverPlaqueVII » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:30 am

I can join in the fun yes. The series could be "Dragon Ball Kai Redux" IMO. The series should go back to the very beginning unlike the Western nations who introduced Goku in Dragon Ball Z in 1996 rather than Dragon Ball as opposed to be in Japan during the 1980s.
MR.Mark wrote:I would be up for a..um,Dragon Ball Kai.

Seriously though, Z needed it a lot more, but Dragon ball's pacing got a little ruff near the end. Goku's fight with younger Piccolo felt way to Z-like for my tastes.
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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Gonstead » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:14 am

SilverPlaqueVII wrote:I can join in the fun yes. The series could be "Dragon Ball Kai Redux" IMO. The series should go back to the very beginning unlike the Western nations who introduced Goku in Dragon Ball Z in 196 rather than Dragon Ball as opposed to be in Japan during the 1980s.
MR.Mark wrote:I would be up for a..um,Dragon Ball Kai.

Seriously though, Z needed it a lot more, but Dragon ball's pacing got a little ruff near the end. Goku's fight with younger Piccolo felt way to Z-like for my tastes.
But they did initially did introduce Goku in the original Dragon Ball... twice!!

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by penguintruth » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:05 pm

I constructed something like "Kai-ified" original DB some time back by cutting and pasting the video from the Japanese (w/English subs) version of the show and making 22 min episodes in Windows Live Media Player. I called it Dragon Ball Shushinchu. File sizes were way too big. I can't do videos for crap. I did fifteen episodes and then just lost interest. Got to the end of the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai.

It'd sure be nice to have a version of the original TV series with less filler. It always bothered me that Goku and Chi-Chi got married and not one of Goku's friends were invited.
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Post by Insertclevername » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:22 pm

Do you still have them saved by any chance? I'd like to see one. How big were the files?
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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Fizzer » Wed May 01, 2013 5:59 pm

Manually trimming down the series into ~250 episodes across DB and Z is something I'd really like to do, but I have so many projects on the back burner as it is. One thing I'm more likely to one day try out, mostly as an experiment, is making each arc into a 2.5~3 hour film. I'd really like to do that, but after such heavy editing the footage would likely need re-dubbing, and there'd be no way to do that. The Red Ribbon, Cell and Buu arcs may need to be split into two parts to avoid terrible pacing too.

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by Ryuji-Otogi » Sun May 12, 2013 2:07 am

Honestly I wouldn't watch a Dragon Ball dub without Nadolny as Goku. She's just the perfect Kid Goku in my opinion. Doesn't matter so much that she doesn't sound exactly like Nozawa, the show needs quality voice actors--not imitators. Nadolny's performance in movie 4 Path to Power is my favorite but her work though out the series is great too.

Anyway, I liked the filler in Dragon Ball a lot. I felt like it added to the adventure rather than just delaying the final boss fight and needlessly extending the arcs as in DBZ. Having said that, there is plenty of trimming that could be done and I would watch it. I like the Dragon Ball dub a lot, but the script is toned down a lot. It's the only Dragon Ball-related dub I can really sit down and enjoy as much as the original. Granted, I haven't given the GT dub-with-original-music a shot. Anyway, I would keep the same actors but with a revised script.

I admittedly haven't seen all of the DB anime, but I remember the Red Ribbon Army arc having a hell of a lot of extra stuff.

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Re: "Kai-ifying" the original Dragon Ball

Post by AgitoZ » Sun May 12, 2013 4:47 pm

Ryuji-Otogi wrote:Honestly I wouldn't watch a Dragon Ball dub without Nadolny as Goku. She's just the perfect Kid Goku in my opinion. Doesn't matter so much that she doesn't sound exactly like Nozawa, the show needs quality voice actors--not imitators. Nadolny's performance in movie 4 Path to Power is my favorite but her work though out the series is great too.
If you don't want imitators then why do you want Nadolny? She's just been doing a Saffron Henderson impersonation this entire time. And if you want quality voice actors then you should have no problem Clinkenbeard.
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