Z warriors power levels vs Nappa

[Bussani]

Durability is a combination of physical toughness and ki, I think. Nappa may just have had a lot more physical toughness than most people. For that matter, Vegeta may have, too, considering the things he withstood.

That said, while I'm okay with the guidebooks' battle power for Nappa, I think it's possible the person who came up with it may have been underestimating him a bit. Maybe a slightly higher value would have been better. I still don't think he should be able to change that value at will, however.

That said, even when it's numbers Akira Toriyama came up with himself, I don't think there's going to be that much consistency in ratios between different powers and what they can do (like "with twice the power you can do this", or "with 1.5 times the power you can do that"). He doesn't seem like the kind of author to think about it like that, so sometimes it might be best to approach things flexibly and wonder if there are other factors beyond whose number is X times bigger.

[IIMaxII]

Durability is a combination of physical toughness and ki, I think. Nappa may just have had a lot more physical toughness than most people. For that matter, Vegeta may have, too, considering the things he withstood.

That said, while I'm okay with the guidebooks' battle power for Nappa, I think it's possible the person who came up with it may have been underestimating him a bit. Maybe a slightly higher value would have been better. I still don't think he should be able to change that value at will, however.

That said, even when it's numbers Akira Toriyama came up with himself, I don't think there's going to be that much consistency in ratios between different powers and what they can do (like "with twice the power you can do this", or "with 1.5 times the power you can do that"). He doesn't seem like the kind of author to think about it like that, so sometimes it might be best to approach things flexibly and wonder if there are other factors beyond whose number is X times bigger.

He put Piccolo at 3,500 and Nappa at 4,000. How absurd is that. Nappa is supposed to be a high class saiyan warrior, he led an army...it doesn't make any sense, it's probably just an inconsistency where he forgets what he wrote.

[Draken]

My word is based on the actions in the manga. Yours is based off of the Daizenshuu. Manga >>>>> Daizenshuu


Power levels are pretty much consistent at that point, where the slightest edge gives an advantage...like the Namek fights.

Power levels are pretty much become bullshit at the Namek saga. Why else do you think AT stopped using them? He couldn't write freely with PL's getting in the way.

e put Piccolo at 3,500 and Nappa at 4,000. How absurd is that. Nappa is supposed to be a high class saiyan warrior, he led an army...it doesn't make any sense, it's probably just an inconsistency where he forgets what he wrote.

Not absurd? I agree it's pretty dang high, but so? Goku is a low class scrub warrior, I guess it's an inconsistency that he's stronger than Nappa, because he's an elite?

[IIMaxII]

My word is based on the actions in the manga. Yours is based off of the Daizenshuu. Manga >>>>> Daizenshuu


Power levels are pretty much consistent at that point, where the slightest edge gives an advantage...like the Namek fights.

Power levels are pretty much become bullshit at the Namek saga. Why else do you think AT stopped using them? He couldn't write freely with PL's getting in the way.

e put Piccolo at 3,500 and Nappa at 4,000. How absurd is that. Nappa is supposed to be a high class saiyan warrior, he led an army...it doesn't make any sense, it's probably just an inconsistency where he forgets what he wrote.

Not absurd? I agree it's pretty dang high, but so? Goku is a low class scrub warrior, I guess it's an inconsistency that he's stronger than Nappa, because he's an elite?

No he got training from King Kai...he's also the main character, so yeah...

[Draken]

No he got training from King Kai...he's also the main character, so yeah...

So why is it inconsistent? Piccolo is one of the main characters, he's literally the rebirth form of an evil demon who was literally the second half of god who was stronger than (at a minimum) 530k.

[IIMaxII]

No he got training from King Kai...he's also the main character, so yeah...

So why is it inconsistent? Piccolo is one of the main characters, he's literally the rebirth form of an evil demon who was literally the second half of god who was stronger than (at a minimum) 530k.

Oh literally?...Nappa should be stronger....6k minimum.

[Draken]

No he got training from King Kai...he's also the main character, so yeah...

So why is it inconsistent? Piccolo is one of the main characters, he's literally the rebirth form of an evil demon who was literally the second half of god who was stronger than (at a minimum) 530k.

Oh literally?...Nappa should be stronger....6k minimum.

Why "should" he be stronger? Because it doesn't fit your personal view? That's fine but you can't push it on others. And yea quite literally Piccolo Jr.

[Godo]

All the Saiya-jins are by nature tough and durable.
We see the Eartlings (such as Kuririn) get downed by a single kick, whilst the Saiya-jins take so much more damage and keep on fighting.
Goku even comments on both Vegeta and Nappa that they are "tough" when he fights them.

Regarding the powerlevels initially posted; they look fine, but Piccolo should be stronger significantly compared to the Earthlings. Remember, he had a 2-3x advantage in power regarding them before their training.
Even if he was around 2,500 in power before the fight, he wouldn't be able to do much against Nappa. So, yeah, on a second thought, it doesn't matter how strong he was.

And Goku having to use Kaio-ken x2 against Nappa...it is not really that complicated. Nappa was to withdraw from the fight, decided to attack Kuririn and Gohan whilst doing so, Goku was far away and to be able to make it in time and protect them, he used Kaio-ken x2 to achieve speed. Using that, he downed Nappa by a simple thrust to his back. If Nappa was 8,000 , a thrust twice his power wouldn't down him that bad. He was simply significantly weaker than 8,000.

[IIMaxII]

Again, I'm not saying Nappa IS 8,000. Logically speaking he must be 6,000-7,000. If we're going by power level Nappa at 4k has the durable argument....but someone at 6k would be much more durable...it's kind of like Butta thinking he's the fastest in the universe.

[Draken]

Again, I'm not saying Nappa IS 8,000. Logically speaking he must be 6,000-7,000. If we're going by power level Nappa at 4k has the durable argument....but someone at 6k would be much more durable...it's kind of like Butta thinking he's the fastest in the universe.

Base Vegeta/SSJ Vegeta vs Pure Buu says hi. He does not "have" to be 6k.

[Godo]

Again, I'm not saying Nappa IS 8,000. Logically speaking he must be 6,000-7,000. If we're going by power level Nappa at 4k has the durable argument....but someone at 6k would be much more durable...it's kind of like Butta thinking he's the fastest in the universe.

Goku at the base power of 8,000 took a hell of a lot more beating by Vegeta, who was more than twice his power (and still fought on). At times Vegeta was much stronger (as an Oozaru).
Logically, Nappa could be half of Goku's power.
Considering that the likes of Raditz were seen as the average Saiya-Jin, someone who is around 4,000 could easily be an elite.

Also, Vegeta took a Kaio-ken x4 Kamehameha straight on: 32,000 against his 18,000 at the time (after Goku's kamehameha had overcome Vegeta's Galick Gun). Yet Goku expected Vegeta to come back.

Again, the Saiya-jins were extremely tough to begin with. Compare how much beating Nappa took compared to that one kick that downed Kuririn.

That's why Nappa doesn't have to be stronger than 4,000.

[rereboy]

Not to mention that if we put Nappa's power level too high (like 6000 or 7000), his fight with the rest of the Earthlings doesn't make a lot of sense. For example, Vegeta told Nappa to be careful of Gohan's enraged attack, but Gohan's power never crossed the 3000 barrier I believe. That would be strange if Nappa was 6000 or 7000.

At most, I would put Nappa at 4500 or 5000.

[Kaboom]

Interestingly, some very old source did put Nappa at 4500 instead of 4000. I forget exactly what it was, but maybe someone else remembers.

I wonder if even that small 500-point difference would make the level a little more "okay" for some people. That would put Nappa over half as strong as Goku, at least, instead of just at half. Might make Piccolo's 3500 more acceptable for folks in comparison too.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Not to mention that if we put Nappa's power level too high (like 6000 or 7000), his fight with the rest of the Earthlings doesn't make a lot of sense. For example, Vegeta told Nappa to be careful of Gohan's enraged attack, but Gohan's power never crossed the 3000 barrier I believe. That would be strange if Nappa was 6000 or 7000.

At most, I would put Nappa at 4500 or 5000.

Gohan's Masenko helped Vegeta realize how significant their powers could fluctuate, since he already knew they could change their powers while fighting. He never warned Nappa about the attack, tho.

The Masenko stung his arm, so it'd makes sense for him to be around 4-5,000 when he deflected it.

[rereboy]

Not to mention that if we put Nappa's power level too high (like 6000 or 7000), his fight with the rest of the Earthlings doesn't make a lot of sense. For example, Vegeta told Nappa to be careful of Gohan's enraged attack, but Gohan's power never crossed the 3000 barrier I believe. That would be strange if Nappa was 6000 or 7000.

At most, I would put Nappa at 4500 or 5000.

Gohan's Masenko helped Vegeta realize how significant their powers could fluctuate, since he already knew they could change their powers while fighting. He never warned Nappa about the attack, tho.

The Masenko stung his arm, so it'd makes sense for him to be around 4-5,000 when he deflected it.

I seem to remember him yelling to Nappa to be careful, but I can't check that right now.

[Kamiccolo9]

Not to mention that if we put Nappa's power level too high (like 6000 or 7000), his fight with the rest of the Earthlings doesn't make a lot of sense. For example, Vegeta told Nappa to be careful of Gohan's enraged attack, but Gohan's power never crossed the 3000 barrier I believe. That would be strange if Nappa was 6000 or 7000.

At most, I would put Nappa at 4500 or 5000.

Gohan's Masenko helped Vegeta realize how significant their powers could fluctuate, since he already knew they could change their powers while fighting. He never warned Nappa about the attack, tho.

The Masenko stung his arm, so it'd makes sense for him to be around 4-5,000 when he deflected it.

I seem to remember him yelling to Nappa to be careful, but I can't check that right now.

No, he just yells something to the affect of "What?! The kid's power is 2,800!?!" And Nappa laughs that off and punches the Masenko.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Nappa is 4,000 and Piccolo is 3,500. Nuff said. There is no reason to argue this.

[Insertclevername]

I don't understand how Nappa can increase his battle power when it's specifically stated that the Saiyans can't suppress their Ki like the Earthlings can.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't understand how Nappa can increase his battle power when it's specifically stated that the Saiyans can't suppress their Ki like the Earthlings can.

Well Vegeta sort of increased his energy... However yeah, Nappa likely cannot increase his since he is so clueless about it.

[Insertclevername]

I thought all the Saiyans did was surface their Ki; not raise it.