Why is Teen-Adult Gohan hated so much.

[Kid Buu]

He becomes the strongest unfused fighter in the series by literally sitting on his ass and doing nothing.

Goku gets 50x stronger when he got angry at Freeza. That's power being handed to you on a silver platter right there. I see Gohan's power up as no different than a Ssj transformation seeing how, like Ssj, it's simply a release of dormant power.

That Zenkai Goku got was also straight-up bullshit, if you want to accept the Guide Books as facts, Goku got a 33x boost. Yikes.

[Kamiccolo9]

I liked him just fine until his stupidly in deciding to let Gotenks fight Buu again. Seriously, he should have just slaughtered Buu right there. And beat up Gotenks too while he's at it. Never liked him.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

I think the main reason Adult Gohan was disliked was because of the direction that Toriyama went with him. He was totally built up in the Cell arc to be Goku's successor, and he just completely lost that element in the Boo Arc.

[RandomGuy96]

That Zenkai Goku got was also straight-up bullshit, if you want to accept the Guide Books as facts, Goku got a 33x boost. Yikes.

Zenkais in general are straight-up bullshit.

[Cipher]

Because didn't you know Dragon Ball is supposed to be about grimacing bad-asses?

I think the main reason Adult Gohan was disliked was because of the direction that Toriyama went with him. He was totally built up in the Cell arc to be Goku's successor, and he just completely lost that element in the Boo Arc.

I mean, define "Goku's successor." Gohan is an incredibly different but immensely likable main character when he's filling the role at the start of the Boo arc. He was never going to be Goku 2.0, but the Saiyaman arc is the first time he truly feels like he could carry the series.

[Hitiro]

He becomes the strongest unfused fighter in the series by literally sitting on his ass and doing nothing.

Goku gets 50x stronger when he got angry at Freeza. That's power being handed to you on a silver platter right there. I see Gohan's power up as no different than a Ssj transformation seeing how, like Ssj, it's simply a release of dormant power.

Was it handed to him on a silver platter? Its not like he was standing around and then all of a sudden "Poof! SSJ!" The transformation did cost him something, the death of one of his closest known friends. So SSJ transformation = Losing a friend is not really handing it to him on a silver platter. If you were offered a talent far beyond your usual means but your friend had to die that is clearly a trade-off. Gohan became the strongest through no inconvenience. At least when he went SSJ2 in the Cell Games it was due to his friends nearly being killed and Android #16 dying.

[Insertclevername]

Well Gohan was forced to sit on his ass while all his friends & family were being killed and to have to worry about his little brother (and co.) fight against an evil deicide committing monster.

[Vice]

Goku gets 50x stronger when he got angry at Freeza. That's power being handed to you on a silver platter right there. I see Gohan's power up as no different than a Ssj transformation seeing how, like Ssj, it's simply a release of dormant power.

Uh, Gohan got the very same power up as well, once again at the cost of nothing.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

That demotivational actually gave me my answer to the question.

To borrow from The Dragon Blog for a moment, when did this;

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Become this?

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After all, it's Goku! Disregarding that the second shot is filler (And reminds me strangely of the Flintstones), its a tell-tale sign the poor fan doesn't understand Dragon ball's actual tone. Sadly, there seem to be a lot of such people. Personally, I absolutely found Gohan's new life a tad offputting just because it was so different, but also realized that at that point in (Gohan's) life Toriyama was allowed to change things up.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I think Saiyaman is a pretty big portion of it, or at least it was back in the Toonami days. I can remember a lot of fans who followed along dub only at least, hating that they did 'that' to his character, after how badass he was in the Cell Games.

...Whereas I was always the weird guy who found Saiyaman to be absolutely hysterical, and a fun callback to the Ginyus (even if I'd barely seen any of the Ginyus at that point). I've always thought Gohan was at his best in the Boo material really. He's finally gotten a good medium ground where he's a strong fighter but can get away with not being as into it as his father is, his design really works for me (to the point that I swear it's his hairstyle that I must have been imitating with a non-DB original character I came up with ages ago for a comic), and thank god he's finally stopped crying (though that was already gone by Namek anyway).

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku gets 50x stronger when he got angry at Freeza. That's power being handed to you on a silver platter right there. I see Gohan's power up as no different than a Ssj transformation seeing how, like Ssj, it's simply a release of dormant power.

Uh, Gohan got the very same power up as well, once again at the cost of nothing.

Ssj in general is power being handed to you on a silver platter. It derives from rage not intense training. There isn't much of a reason to call Gohan out on getting a power up by practically doing nothing when Vegeta, Goku, Trunks, and Goten have all experienced a strength increase for no physical cost.

[TheGmGoken]

He becomes the strongest unfused fighter in the series by literally sitting on his ass and doing nothing.

Goku got god-mod power ups just because Akira favor him over other characters.

[TheGmGoken]

He becomes the strongest unfused fighter in the series by literally sitting on his ass and doing nothing.

Goku gets 50x stronger when he got angry at Freeza. That's power being handed to you on a silver platter right there. I see Gohan's power up as no different than a Ssj transformation seeing how, like Ssj, it's simply a release of dormant power.

That Zenkai Goku got was also straight-up bullshit, if you want to accept the Guide Books as facts, Goku got a 33x boost. Yikes.

33x boost! 33 is close to 50x which is ssj. False ssj is a 25x base. So Goku got a zenkai version of false ssj lol.

[Kamiccolo9]

33x boost! 33 is close to 50x which is ssj. False ssj is a 25x base. So Goku got a zenkai version of false ssj lol.

Where did you get the 25x base from? That's not stated anywhere.

Goku gets 50x stronger when he got angry at Freeza. That's power being handed to you on a silver platter right there. I see Gohan's power up as no different than a Ssj transformation seeing how, like Ssj, it's simply a release of dormant power.

Uh, Gohan got the very same power up as well, once again at the cost of nothing.

Ssj in general is power being handed to you on a silver platter. It derives from rage not intense training. There isn't much of a reason to call Gohan out on getting a power up by practically doing nothing when Vegeta, Goku, Trunks, and Goten have all experienced a strength increase for no physical cost.

There's not a physical cost, but there is an emotional one. Goku lost his best friend, Vegeta sunk into an obsessive-self-destructive state, and Future Trunks lost his mentor. Also, all of the Saiyans went through torturous physical training prior to becoming Super Saiyans. Goku did his 100x Gravity Training, Vegeta went to his limits in even higher gravity, and Gohan trained in the Room of Space and Time with Goku. While I'm not saying that this is required to become a Super Saiyan, each of them suffered before they gained the transformation.

[TheGmGoken]

I liked him just fine until his stupidly in deciding to let Gotenks fight Buu again. Seriously, he should have just slaughtered Buu right there. And beat up Gotenks too while he's at it. Never liked him.

How was Gohan suppose to know Gotenks would be absorbed? Gohan can sense ki so you got to take account that Gohan was thinking Gotenks could handle Buu. Beat up Gotenks? So you hate Gohan cause he didn't beat up Gotenks?

[Kamiccolo9]

I liked him just fine until his stupidly in deciding to let Gotenks fight Buu again. Seriously, he should have just slaughtered Buu right there. And beat up Gotenks too while he's at it. Never liked him.

How was Gohan suppose to know Gotenks would be absorbed? Gohan can sense ki so you got to take account that Gohan was thinking Gotenks could handle Buu. Beat up Gotenks? So you hate Gohan cause he didn't beat up Gotenks?

I was being sarcastic.
Gohan already made the mistake of letting an enemy live once, and his father died because of it. He should have known better.

[TheGmGoken]

33x boost! 33 is close to 50x which is ssj. False ssj is a 25x base. So Goku got a zenkai version of false ssj lol.

Where did you get the 25x base from? That's not stated anywhere.

I should't have said "Is a 25x base". I should have "I think False ssj is half of SSJ power".

[TheGmGoken]

Uh, Gohan got the very same power up as well, once again at the cost of nothing.

Ssj in general is power being handed to you on a silver platter. It derives from rage not intense training. There isn't much of a reason to call Gohan out on getting a power up by practically doing nothing when Vegeta, Goku, Trunks, and Goten have all experienced a strength increase for no physical cost.

There's not a physical cost, but there is an emotional one. Goku lost his best friend, Vegeta sunk into an obsessive-self-destructive state, and Future Trunks lost his mentor. Also, all of the Saiyans went through torturous physical training prior to becoming Super Saiyans. Goku did his 100x Gravity Training, Vegeta went to his limits in even higher gravity, and Gohan trained in the Room of Space and Time with Goku. While I'm not saying that this is required to become a Super Saiyan, each of them suffered before they gained the transformation.[/quote]

Well going by the manga.....we don't know how Future Trunks got ssj besides intense training

[Kamiccolo9]

Uh, Gohan got the very same power up as well, once again at the cost of nothing.

Ssj in general is power being handed to you on a silver platter. It derives from rage not intense training. There isn't much of a reason to call Gohan out on getting a power up by practically doing nothing when Vegeta, Goku, Trunks, and Goten have all experienced a strength increase for no physical cost.

There's not a physical cost, but there is an emotional one. Goku lost his best friend, Vegeta sunk into an obsessive-self-destructive state, and Future Trunks lost his mentor. Also, all of the Saiyans went through torturous physical training prior to becoming Super Saiyans. Goku did his 100x Gravity Training, Vegeta went to his limits in even higher gravity, and Gohan trained in the Room of Space and Time with Goku. While I'm not saying that this is required to become a Super Saiyan, each of them suffered before they gained the transformation.

Well going by the manga.....we don't know how Future Trunks got ssj besides intense training[/quote]
That's true, but IMO, the Trunks special is better than it's manga equivalent, so I go with that . In the manga, Trunks grew up in a world where the Androids were killing everyone, and he had to watch his world die. That would satisfy the emotional cost.

Also, it wouldn't make sense for the FSSJ to be 25x base. Slug was said to be stronger than Freeza, so unless Goku got much, much stronger than he was on Namek, he wouldn't have been able to dominate him like he did. The SSJ form in movie 4 was designed before the one we see in the manga, and was meant to be an actual Super Saiyan. It just looks different. So a normal 50x base seems more likely to me.

[Kid Buu]

33x boost! 33 is close to 50x which is ssj. False ssj is a 25x base. So Goku got a zenkai version of false ssj lol.

False SSJ? Are you referring to the Lord Slug film?

Also can you send me a bigger version of your avatar? It cracks me up.