What would it take for a new DB series to work today?

[Dayspring]

I'd actually simply prefer a 2-5 volume prequel series starting with a Toriyama rendition of Bardock's story and then Goku's life prior to meeting Bulma. Somewhere along the lines, Oozaru Goku could kill Gohan, and then we have one or two more arcs of Goku living on his own.

[Domon]

I know Filler was meant to keep the Anime from keeping up...which means they should wait longer to start the Anime!

Just keep in mind, though, that the manga was influcened by the anime as both went along. Toriyama, in one interview, said that his interpretation of Goku changed somewhat after hearing his voice in the anime. And then there's the Bardock special, which Toriyama liked enough to pay homage to it in the manga (to say nothing of the various pressure to continue the story because of the popularity of both version of the series...).

Or, if they catch up...take a break.

Which they did... with filler.

[gotenx]

To make a new DBZ series you would need PERFECT animation in the big important fight scenes like they did in Naruto Ep. whatever after the filler between Sasuke and Naruto's fight (that was the BEST animation EVER!!!), no messing up Toriyama-sensai's style, and an original storyline done by the sensai himself!

[tarsonis]

You're way off. o_o When Trunks sliced Freeza in half, they used the best animation group they had. Then continuing on to the next episode where Trunks kills Freeza and his father, they used the worst animation group they had.

I think I see what you mean. It wasn't that noticable at first but it seems like the second group used thicker outlines on characters.

[rkpres17]

Now we seem to be talking what could have been better about Dragonball Z...But, if Vegotto cares, he'll take care of it.

Yes and no. In order to explain how Dragonball could work as a series today you have to look back and see what could've been done better.

It's not enough to make the show just trendy because what's trendy in 2005 won't be trendy in 2020, so any show that tries to be "trendy" and nothing else won't last as long as the real Dragonball has and won't be looked back upon as fondly.

[Duo]

Honestly, did people really like Fillers that degraded Goku's personality, skewered the plotline to the point of plotholing, made someone seem way stronger than they are, and basically throw out all intelligence on Character personalities and just make them do stupid crap for no reason?

Seriously, anyone remember Bulma barging in on Goten and Trunks fusion training when Goku had Trunks power down, and her saying "Don't hold back my son because he's better"? She's not like that, that was ridiculous and stupid and totally goes agaisnt everything known about who she is at that time. Come on.

Hey, if you like all those things, more power to you, but I don't want it in Toriyama's work.

[tarsonis]

Honestly, did people really like Fillers that degraded Goku's personality, skewered the plotline to the point of plotholing, made someone seem way stronger than they are, and basically throw out all intelligence on Character personalities and just make them do stupid crap for no reason?

No, but I don't really recall these sorts of things happening.

Seriously, anyone remember barging in on Goten and Trunks fusion training when Goku had Trunks power down, and her saying "Don't hold back my son because he's better"? She's not like that, that was ridiculous and stupid and totally goes agaisnt everything known about who she is at that time. Come on.

Actually, that does sound like something Chi-Chi would do. (That is who we're talking about right?)

Hey, if you like all those things, more power to you, but I don't want it in Toriyama's work.

I happen to like the anime.

[Duo]

Actually, I was talking about Bulma. I edited my post because I forgot to include her name.

I liked the Anime too. When that is all you know, it is hard not to.

But when you read the Manga, get really into it, and start watching the Anime again...you see things differently. It gives you new eyes.

[Xyex]

Read the manga, enjoyed it. Watched the anime, loved it. And that does sound like Bulma. The anime's as good as, and sometimes better than, the manga.

[Jerseymilk]

I also agree that that could sound like Buruma. There were times in the manga as well as the anime when she could be downright presumptious and bossy. Toriyama himself even said in response to a fan letter that she was harsh, loud, and pushy.

[Duo]

I don't know which Manga you read, but Bulma was actually quite intelligent when she reached that age and she didn't know anything of training or Chi, and would choose to stay out of it as always.

I mean, if you have any respect for the work of art known as "Dragonball" by Akira Toriyama, you should be disgusted by all the added "Angry staring", "Smoke clearing", "Punch-miss repeat", "Constipation Power up" scenes. Toei drew EVERYTHING out unnecessarily. If Gohan went to brush his hair, it would take 5 minutes.

[Jerseymilk]

And I think that you're a "manga purist" and have just as many biases as everyone else here. If you hate the anime that much then why even participate in discussions about it? Or do you participate just so you can lord it over how much better your opinions are and are more of a respectable fan because of it. That's how you're coming across you know, like you're a more pure fan.

[Mr. Robot]

I'd actually simply prefer a 2-5 volume prequel series starting with a Toriyama rendition of Bardock's story and then Goku's life prior to meeting Bulma. Somewhere along the lines, Oozaru Goku could kill Gohan, and then we have one or two more arcs of Goku living on his own.

Methinks that would be boring--what would it be, Goku just living by himself in the mountains? The Bardock rendition would be interesting but already done (I know, I know, Trunks was in the manga and the anime.)

What would be the coolest, in my opinion, would be something about Freeza and King Cold's subjugation of the galaxy. Or something dealing with the Kaioshins and the creation of Buu. In short something expanding the Dragonball mythos.

[tarsonis]

I mean, if you have any respect for the work of art known as "Dragonball" by Akira Toriyama, you should be disgusted by all the added "Angry staring", "Smoke clearing", "Punch-miss repeat", "Constipation Power up" scenes. Toei drew EVERYTHING out unnecessarily. If Gohan went to brush his hair, it would take 5 minutes.

I wouldn't be. It's one form of Dragon Ball versus another. Filler or not, nothing thrown in detracts from the overall storyline. It's like book versus movie. The movie can be just as good, if not better, than a book, so long as they don't stray away from the intended story.

I'm confused as to where you stand, because you said you like the anime, but then said you're disgusted with these aspects of it..and I can't figure out why. Who cares if scenes are drawn out?

Anyway, if you like the manga more than the series, fine, but understand that others may not think the way you do and we all have our opinions.

[Duo]

There are portions of the Anime I can appreciate, my bias against it is desire for it to be better. I don't know why so few see it like I do, so it's very hard to explain. I do own quite a few DVD's which I don't just watch to critique. I actually like the Subbed version quite a bit, but holding it to the standard of the Manga, I feel shorthanded.

I'm entitled to have an opinion like you all. I'm sorry if I seem disrespctful because that is not my intention, it's just hard to keep ones perspective on it at times.

[Dayspring]

I'd actually simply prefer a 2-5 volume prequel series starting with a Toriyama rendition of Bardock's story and then Goku's life prior to meeting Bulma. Somewhere along the lines, Oozaru Goku could kill Gohan, and then we have one or two more arcs of Goku living on his own.

Methinks that would be boring--what would it be, Goku just living by himself in the mountains? The Bardock rendition would be interesting but already done (I know, I know, Trunks was in the manga and the anime.)

What would be the coolest, in my opinion, would be something about Freeza and King Cold's subjugation of the galaxy. Or something dealing with the Kaioshins and the creation of Buu. In short something expanding the Dragonball mythos.

Me too. I was originally going to say a few volumes that were a collection of side-stories that are outside what we've seen, but that would be off-topic so I revised my answer. Goku+co got too strong after Cell. That's why so many people hated the Buu saga of Z. I guess the simple answer is that the series can't be continued. DBGT tried, and in many people's opinions, failed.

So here's my revised answer. I want to:
-Toriyama's rendition of the Bardock story + more on Saiyan society.
-more of Vegeta growing up.
-how Radditz avoided getting killed and met up with Vegeta.
-a story about how Goku+Gohan bonded that ends with Gohan beng killed by Oozaru Goku (we know he saw Goku in Oozaru form at least twice. Maybe make it a story about Gohan hunting a "monster"?).
-a story about the original SSJ. Maybe have Kaioshin or Dai Kaio kill him off because he's too dangerous?
-a few early DB-style stories starring Goku prior to his meeting Bulma. Maybe he helps some nearby Upa-type villager kill a monster or something.

[Rocketman]

2. Only two Super Saiyans, Goku and Vegeta. No SSJ2, 3, or 4.

No Gohan taking the torch?

Gohan can't handle the torch. He always holds it upside down and burns himself.

[Chaos Saiyajin]

Side stories are definately a great idea. I would like to see:
-The original SSJ's origin
-Goku's past with Gohan
-Gohan and Gyuu Mao training under Roshi
-Bardock prequel
-Story of Radditz, Vegeta, and Nappa growing up
-A Tournament of all the enemies sent to hell in the trilogy. That would be funny to see Brolly kick the shit out of General Blue!

Ideas for a new series:
-Mirai Trunks getting his own series about him and all new Z senshi fighting Majin Buu, Bebi, and Super 17
-Uub taking the torch like Goku intended and replacing him as the main character in a new series.
-Goku dying from the Heart Disease and Piccolo or Vegeta taking over as the leader of the Z Senshi.
-A remake of Dragonball, with a little alteration in the stroyline.

Rocketman is definatley right about Gohan, he can never seem to fill in for Goku, he gives up way to easily.

[Metrite]

It starts out asking what the manga would need and turns into what the anime would need. I guess that matters since if there was a manga there would likely be an anime following.

I think the one big prejudice shows have to deal with over time, though, is their shallow-level appearance compared to other current shows. Newer anime fans are used to their progressive @ 29.97 fps, digital animation. Hand-drawn cels from the 1980s can take a little getting used to if you haven't seen something like that before.

Give a quick lesson on the animation differences(like how they're made and the different outcome(to some, what's seen on the TV is just what's seen on the TV ))? And if there ever was any new DB thing like a special, think it'd still use the same old animation?

Goku+co got too strong after Cell. That's why so many people hated the Buu saga of Z.

Why would people suddenly dislike it because the characters are getting "too strong"(and why would it be at that point where it'd be considered that way)?

I remember hearing around here that many disliked the Buu saga because that part of the series began to get a little too "A.D.D." for everyone. I wonder what that meant?

[Dayspring]

Goku+co got too strong after Cell. That's why so many people hated the Buu saga of Z.

Why would people suddenly dislike it because the characters are getting "too strong"(and why would it be at that point where it'd be considered that way)?

I remember hearing around here that many disliked the Buu saga because that part of the series began to get a little too "A.D.D." for everyone. I wonder what that meant?

By the end of the Namek saga, Goku has become by far the most powerful in the galaxy, which makes him among the upper echelon in the whole universe. Then Cell comes along who has unimaginable strength based on the fact that he's a combination of all the good aspecs of the strongest aspects of the most powerful races. It's at this point that the only way someone can become stronger in Dragonball was to access a new form of SSJ. Fine. But this carries on into the Buu saga when Fusion is a dud on its own. It's then repeated in GT with the introduction of SSJ4. Once it's blatantly obvious that new SSJ levels has been done before, they switch over to taking ideas from the last two Z movies.