Movies Placement

[TheMightyOzaru]

Show me where I am wrong. The Daiz is wrong about M3 and M6.

No you're wrong about M3 and M6. I just love your egotistical attitude toward. "My word is above official material!" That's what you sound like .

While I have no problem disregarding the Daizenshuu when I feel that they contradict the series, such as the Gohan=Goten comment, or the Daizenshuu considering FPSSJ to be a separate form, there is no reason to ignore it just because you don't like what it says. Give a reason why it's wrong, and back it up with evidence. In case you haven't caught on yet, you saying over and over again that the movies have to match up with the anime release dates hasn't convinced anyone so far.

The Daizenshuu merely says Goten was fighting on par with Gohan. Never mentioned whether Gohan was suppressed or not.

[Kamiccolo9]

The Daizenshuu merely says Goten was fighting on par with Gohan. Never mentioned whether Gohan was suppressed or not.

I know, and that's how I interpret it. I was just using that as an example. If you take it literally though, then Gohan=Goten, which I disagree with.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't think people do or should take it literally.

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't think people do or should take it literally.

Some people do. And then you have people on the other extreme who just ignore everything in the Daizenshuu. I think I have a nice medium.

[Zephyr]

I've made a thread kind of related to this topic before. I tried to makes sense of, and rationalize, the inconsistencies that result from the movies:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =6&t=22822

[Cardle grave]

Where is the quote where it states goten is close to gohan in terms of power

[Kamiccolo9]

Where is the quote where it states goten is close to gohan in terms of power

Daizenshuu 2.

SON GOTEN
A gifted child who mastered Super Saiyan at a young age.
By virtue of being Goku's son, Goten posses battle power not the least bit inferior to even Gohan. On top of being able to unleash a startling amount of power in even his normal state, he can easily transform into a Super Saiyan. Furthermore, he merges with Trunks through a technique known as Fusion.

[Cardle grave]

You know undertaker, If this is true and there a Legit wording on Goten being as strong as Gohan who is still stronger then MSSJ cell games. This crushes your point on Movie 8 not being Cell games character.

[PerfectFreeza]

Cardle, how would that crush his point on M8 Fighters not being Cell Games Fighers?The Daizenshuu is flat out wrong on Goten=Gohan.
Also, I would just like to say, that Daizenshuu and Chozenshuu both place Movie 1 before the beginning of Z.The anime has the Garlic Jr. filler, meaning they both take place in the same timeline.
Yet Goku and Piccolo act like it's their first time of teaming up against Raditz, Goku doesn't know about Gohan's hidden powers and Kuririn doesn't know Gohan.That's 3 plotholes.
IMO, the movies are parallel to certain anime episodes.

[Undertaker]

Show me where I am wrong. The Daiz is wrong about M3 and M6.

No you're wrong about M3 and M6. I just love your egotistical attitude toward. "My word is above official material!" That's what you sound like .

Actually it's not. My word is above erros. The Daiz says M3 is after Goku arrived to Namek and that's wrong because it was during his training in the spaceship. M6 happens after Vegeta beat 19 and the Daiz says it happens in the 10 days

Vegetto EX I am not saying I am right. I am just saying you should show me something that contradict what I say. You have shown some links but they have nothing to do with what I am talking about

[Undertaker]

You know undertaker, If this is true and there a Legit wording on Goten being as strong as Gohan who is still stronger then MSSJ cell games. This crushes your point on Movie 8 not being Cell games character.

How? First, Goten is far weaker than Gohan. Second, M10 SSJ Broly is perhaps greater than M8 LSSJ Broly. M8 RSSJ Broly tanked a kick from 1st Post Vegeta and I have Goten and that level

[TheMightyOzaru]

Cardle, how would that crush his point on M8 Fighters not being Cell Games Fighers?The Daizenshuu is flat out wrong on Goten=Gohan.
Also, I would just like to say, that Daizenshuu and Chozenshuu both place Movie 1 before the beginning of Z.The anime has the Garlic Jr. filler, meaning they both take place in the same timeline.
Yet Goku and Piccolo act like it's their first time of teaming up against Raditz, Goku doesn't know about Gohan's hidden powers and Kuririn doesn't know Gohan.That's 3 plotholes.
IMO, the movies are parallel to certain anime episodes.

Again those who argue with the Daizenshuu are wasting there time . The Gohan = Goten line in the Daizenshuu doesn't have to be taken literally. It simply refers to their fights while training and how Goten was fighting on par with Gohan, whom was suppressed. I also get this vibe that the line from the Daizenshuu could be referring to his overall potential being not in the least bit inferior.

[IIMaxII]

Movie 1 Dead Zone: Takes place when Goku and Piccolo fought Raditz. They have the same power like they had vs Raditz. Raditz Arc.
Okay...Goku would be dead.

Movie 2 World's Strongest: Takes place after Goku beat Vegeta and before he went to Namek. Vegeta Arc.
Doesn't make sense.

Movie 3 Tree Of Might: Takes place during the time Goku was training in his spaceship, Gohan and Krillin were on Namek and when Zarbon beat Vegeta. Namek Arc.
How would they fight Tullece on Earth then?

Movie 4 Lord Slug: Takes place when Goku was fighting Ginyu. Ginyu Saga.
How would they fight off Lord Slug then?

Movie 5 Cooler's Revenge: Takes place after Goku returned to Earth without going to Yardat. Freeza Arc.
Incorrect, Goku knew Instant Transmission in this movie, so he did go to Yardrat.

Movie 6 Cooler's Return: Takes place after Vegeta beat 19 and before 18 and 17 were revived. Androids Arc.
This wouldn't make sense, as if they just forgot about chasing DR Gero.

Movie 7 Super Android 13: Takes place after Piccolo fused with Kami, while Cell was absorbing people and just before Piccolo fought Android 17 and before the Rosat. Imperfect Cell Arc
Doesn't make sense.

Movie 8 Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan: Takes place after Cell went perfect and before the Cell Games. Vegeta and Trunks are ASSJs and used the Rosat just once while Goku and Gohan are Post Rosat and resting as MSSJs. Perfect Cell Arc.
But they aren't MSSJ in this movie at all times.

Movie 9 Bojack Unbound: Takes place after the Cell Games were finished. Cell Games Arc.
This makes sense.

Movie 10 Broly Second Coming: Takes place after the Great Saiyaman Saga and suring the beginning of the World Tournament. Great Saiyman/World Tournament Arc.
That does not make sense since Goku is dead in the movie but in the beginning of the World Tournament he is not.

Movie 11 Bio Broly: Takes place after the World Tournament and just before Buu was hatched. World Tournament/Majin Buu Arc.
It's plausible.

Movie 12 Fusion Reborn: Takes place after Goku returned to Other World and when Super Buu was born. Majin Buu/Fusion Arc.
This could work.

Movie 13: Takes place after Super Buu absorbed Gotenks and Gohan and when Vegito was fighting Buuhan. Fusion Arc.
....Have you even watched Movie 13?

[Michelle91]

Movie 11 can't take place before Buu was hatched since we see Goku in Other World. I believe all of the Broli movies take place in one single time line. In Movie 8, the Cell games never happen and it's possible that Cell just went around killing people instead. Goku is dead in Movie 10 then he must have died against Cell somehow. I think in Movie 11 that Goku choose to stay in other world and the other Z senshi must have defeated Babidi before Buu hatched.

[Undertaker]

Cardle, how would that crush his point on M8 Fighters not being Cell Games Fighers?The Daizenshuu is flat out wrong on Goten=Gohan.
Also, I would just like to say, that Daizenshuu and Chozenshuu both place Movie 1 before the beginning of Z.The anime has the Garlic Jr. filler, meaning they both take place in the same timeline.
Yet Goku and Piccolo act like it's their first time of teaming up against Raditz, Goku doesn't know about Gohan's hidden powers and Kuririn doesn't know Gohan.That's 3 plotholes.
IMO, the movies are parallel to certain anime episodes.

Again those who argue with the Daizenshuu are wasting there time . The Gohan = Goten line in the Daizenshuu doesn't have to be taken literally. It simply refers to their fights while training and how Goten was fighting on par with Gohan, whom was suppressed. I also get this vibe that the line from the Daizenshuu could be referring to his overall potential being not in the least bit inferior.

Who said Gohan was supressed? Rge Daiz says Goten's power is not a bit inferior to Gohan's meaning equal

The Daiz also says SSJ Vegetto has power surpassing SSJ3. I guess Gohan-Boo never surpassed SSJ3 Goku by that logic.

[Undertaker]

Movie 1 Dead Zone: Takes place when Goku and Piccolo fought Raditz. They have the same power like they had vs Raditz. Raditz Arc.
Okay...Goku would be dead.

Movie 2 World's Strongest: Takes place after Goku beat Vegeta and before he went to Namek. Vegeta Arc.
Doesn't make sense.

Movie 3 Tree Of Might: Takes place during the time Goku was training in his spaceship, Gohan and Krillin were on Namek and when Zarbon beat Vegeta. Namek Arc.
How would they fight Tullece on Earth then?

Movie 4 Lord Slug: Takes place when Goku was fighting Ginyu. Ginyu Saga.
How would they fight off Lord Slug then?

Movie 5 Cooler's Revenge: Takes place after Goku returned to Earth without going to Yardat. Freeza Arc.
Incorrect, Goku knew Instant Transmission in this movie, so he did go to Yardrat.

Movie 6 Cooler's Return: Takes place after Vegeta beat 19 and before 18 and 17 were revived. Androids Arc.
This wouldn't make sense, as if they just forgot about chasing DR Gero.

Movie 7 Super Android 13: Takes place after Piccolo fused with Kami, while Cell was absorbing people and just before Piccolo fought Android 17 and before the Rosat. Imperfect Cell Arc
Doesn't make sense.

Movie 8 Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan: Takes place after Cell went perfect and before the Cell Games. Vegeta and Trunks are ASSJs and used the Rosat just once while Goku and Gohan are Post Rosat and resting as MSSJs. Perfect Cell Arc.
But they aren't MSSJ in this movie at all times.

Movie 9 Bojack Unbound: Takes place after the Cell Games were finished. Cell Games Arc.
This makes sense.

Movie 10 Broly Second Coming: Takes place after the Great Saiyaman Saga and suring the beginning of the World Tournament. Great Saiyman/World Tournament Arc.
That does not make sense since Goku is dead in the movie but in the beginning of the World Tournament he is not.

Movie 11 Bio Broly: Takes place after the World Tournament and just before Buu was hatched. World Tournament/Majin Buu Arc.
It's plausible.

Movie 12 Fusion Reborn: Takes place after Goku returned to Other World and when Super Buu was born. Majin Buu/Fusion Arc.
This could work.

Movie 13: Takes place after Super Buu absorbed Gotenks and Gohan and when Vegito was fighting Buuhan. Fusion Arc.
....Have you even watched Movie 13?

You do realise movies are altenative universes? Every movie is an alternative universe based on an arc. Goku never knew IT in M5. M13 was released while SSJ Vegito battled Gohan-Boo. Also Goku was dead until Gotenk-s Boo beat Gohan. Do your researches

[Cardle grave]

You know undertaker, If this is true and there a Legit wording on Goten being as strong as Gohan who is still stronger then MSSJ cell games. This crushes your point on Movie 8 not being Cell games character.

How? First, Goten is far weaker than Gohan. Second, M10 SSJ Broly is perhaps greater than M8 LSSJ Broly. M8 RSSJ Broly tanked a kick from 1st Post Vegeta and I have Goten and that level

First SSJ M10=LSSJ M8

Second if the dazienshuu statement is true and Goten is = or Close to his brother then that still puts him above MSSJ goku Cell games. And If Broly SSJ stomped the shit out of the 2 SSJ who are both>MSSJ goku Cell games then Broly did vs Cell games character in Movie 8 otherwise if he vs your so called 50% Rubbish then Goten and trunks would of Stomped


Anyways Who states that there equal, Veggeto EX or the Guide books or AT ?

[Kamiccolo9]

Anyways Who states that there equal, Veggeto EX or the Guide books or AT ?

I'm sorry, but I can't tell who you are talking about here.

[Cardle grave]

who stated that Goten and Gohan are equal ?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

who stated that Goten and Gohan are equal ?

Daizenshuu 2.