Broly Power discussion

[Cardle grave]

Or hey maybe it's only +500. How do you fucking know?

Before the fight with Majin Vegeta no one even knew Majin Buu had that insane haxed regen. It was his pure power that made him >> everyone.

500+ ??? what are you on about here

Actually No it was only until Fat Buu powered up is when they knew he was stronger

When he came out of the Egg, Gohan said at Full power he can beat him and Majin vegeta didn't take him seriously. After he hit Dabura he sensed his power and said his strong. But Goku also Said that Him and Vegeta can Easily beat him as goku said together i know we can beat this guy. And then when Vegeta vs him he powered up again in the angry explosion thus making him the SSj3 tier guy.

By Sensing power they didn't take him seriously until he powered up but still was defeatable until he powered up against Vegeta. But Vegeta still knew it was useless to fight because of his regeneration as he said to trunks physical attacks are useless. That why he needed the final explosion

And piccolo gave that quote not goku, This was after the Majin vegeta fight. its his durability that makes him a massive threat and makes him take out a Bunch of SSj2 not his Power even thought his much stronger then them its his regenration that gives him that massive advantage. Otherwise Bullets would kill him LOL

[Draken]

For all we know it's addition, not multiplication. You can say Goku's power level went up 2.3 times. Or you could say his power level went up +500ish points. How can you prove either one? Freeza tanking Goku's KKx20 Kamehameha begs to differe from your multiplier.

And you completely ignored my last line. GJ.

[Cardle grave]

For all we know it's addition, not multiplication. You can say Goku's power level went up 2.3 times. Or you could say his power level went up +500ish points. How can you prove either one? Freeza tanking Goku's KKx20 Kamehameha begs to differe from your multiplier.

And you completely ignored my last line. GJ.

Because of Saiyan Saga, When Goku was doing the kamehameha on Raditz, Raditz said his power increase by Doing the kamehameha form 400 to 950 or somewhere close to that thus making it a multiplier

And the 20x kamehameha on Freeza is edgy. that's why i say the Multiplier on the kamehameha could be higher in Cell/Buu saga because it wouldn't make sense since you can do a stronger kamehameha while in base+Kaoiken x20 then doing a kamehameha in SSJ. Plus there level is SSJ and higher so they should put much more power into there moves.


So 2.3x is the lowest and i didn't ignore you last time, I said Piccolo Said that not Goku

[PerfectFreeza]

M12 shatters YOUR point, not mine.
Goku says only Fat Buu pushed him to SSJ3 before Janemba.Goku and Pikkon go fight Broly at the very end of M11, meaning SSJ2 Goku and Pikkon were able to beat M10 LSSJ Broly.

[Draken]

Goku = 3 million. KKx20 = 60 million. Kamehameha x 2.3 = 138 million. Freeza should have been atomized, yet he held it back with a hand. And what I'm saying is for all you know the kamehameha might only add to his power, not multiply. It was rising up, not multiplying up, after all.

[Cardle grave]

M12 shatters YOUR point, not mine.
Goku says only Fat Buu pushed him to SSJ3 before Janemba.Goku and Paikuhan go fight Broly at the very end of M11, meaning SSJ2 Goku and Paikuhan were able to beat M10 LSSJ Broly.

And M11 form What i am seeing doesn't relate to Movie 12 as you should notice that Goku is in Other world eating then watching his son train with the Z sword. kids Dont know fusion and fat buu wasnt seen anywhere while in M12 Kids knew fusion and Fat buu existed and so did super buu as Gotenks knew Super ghost attack

2 different universes

[Cardle grave]

Goku = 3 million. KKx20 = 60 million. Kamehameha x 2.3 = 138 million. Freeza should have been atomized, yet he held it back with a hand. And what I'm saying is for all you know the kamehameha might only add to his power, not multiply. It was rising up, not multiplying up, after all.

I don't know Goku power at base plus i don't know if it was 20x anyway, is it stated anywhere. You can just ignore Raditz scouter Reading.

1st: Need proof of what level goku was on at base
2nd: If it was a 20x kamehameha

[TheGmGoken]

Goku = 3 million. KKx20 = 60 million. Kamehameha x 2.3 = 138 million. Freeza should have been atomized, yet he held it back with a hand. And what I'm saying is for all you know the kamehameha might only add to his power, not multiply. It was rising up, not multiplying up, after all.

I don't know Goku power at base plus i don't know if it was 20x anyway, is it stated anywhere. You can just ignore Raditz scouter Reading.

1st: Need proof of what level goku was on at base
2nd: If it was a 20x kamehameha

Are you serious. You need proof of Goku's base power? 3 million or 2.5 million if he's weaker. That's been stated for a long time my friend. Goku said Kaioken x20 kamehameha =/. What more do you want

[Cardle grave]

Goku = 3 million. KKx20 = 60 million. Kamehameha x 2.3 = 138 million. Freeza should have been atomized, yet he held it back with a hand. And what I'm saying is for all you know the kamehameha might only add to his power, not multiply. It was rising up, not multiplying up, after all.

I don't know Goku power at base plus i don't know if it was 20x anyway, is it stated anywhere. You can just ignore Raditz scouter Reading.

1st: Need proof of what level goku was on at base
2nd: If it was a 20x kamehameha

Are you serious. You need proof of Goku's base power? 3 million or 2.5 million if he's weaker. That's been stated for a long time my friend. Goku said Kaioken x20 kamehameha =/. What more do you want

Who stated it though, I looked on the manga it doesn't say anything ? And what about the Kaoiken ?

[Draken]

Goku = 3 million. KKx20 = 60 million. Kamehameha x 2.3 = 138 million. Freeza should have been atomized, yet he held it back with a hand. And what I'm saying is for all you know the kamehameha might only add to his power, not multiply. It was rising up, not multiplying up, after all.

I don't know Goku power at base plus i don't know if it was 20x anyway, is it stated anywhere. You can just ignore Raditz scouter Reading.

1st: Need proof of what level goku was on at base
2nd: If it was a 20x kamehameha

Are you serious. You need proof of Goku's base power? 3 million or 2.5 million if he's weaker. That's been stated for a long time my friend. Goku said Kaioken x20 kamehameha =/. What more do you want

I was literally about to say those exact same words lol ._. Dude if you don't even want to believe these levels then...

[PerfectFreeza]

Paragus appears in M12.That means all three Broly films took place in the same timeline.

[Cardle grave]

Are you serious. You need proof of Goku's base power? 3 million or 2.5 million if he's weaker. That's been stated for a long time my friend. Goku said Kaioken x20 kamehameha =/. What more do you want[/quote]

I was literally about to say those exact same words lol ._. Dude if you don't even want to believe these levels then...[/quote]

OK i know so far Goku power is 3 million since Base to SSj is 50x. But what about the Kaoiken is it 20x ?

Paragus appears in M12.That means all three Broly films took place in the same timeline

I know but M11 Doesn't because Movie 11 kids didn't know fusion and Fat buu didn't exist while M12 is the opposite. So either M8 just existed in the universe or Movie 10 Exist in the universe

[TheGmGoken]

Goku = 3 million. KKx20 = 60 million. Kamehameha x 2.3 = 138 million. Freeza should have been atomized, yet he held it back with a hand. And what I'm saying is for all you know the kamehameha might only add to his power, not multiply. It was rising up, not multiplying up, after all.

Are you serious. You need proof of Goku's base power? 3 million or 2.5 million if he's weaker. That's been stated for a long time my friend. Goku said Kaioken x20 kamehameha =/. What more do you want

Who stated it though, I looked on the manga it doesn't say anything ? And what about the Kaoiken ?

Daizenshuu stated that Goku BP was 3 million. The manga said Goku is going to do a Kaioken x20. He even said he much it hurts. .

Did you grow up watching an inaccurate dub? Just asking. What dub you grew up with? Also what manga do you read? Cause I think it was pretty clear Goku was doing a Kaioken x20

[Draken]

Are you serious. You need proof of Goku's base power? 3 million or 2.5 million if he's weaker. That's been stated for a long time my friend. Goku said Kaioken x20 kamehameha =/. What more do you want

I was literally about to say those exact same words lol ._. Dude if you don't even want to believe these levels then...[/quote]

OK i know so far Goku power is 3 million since Base to SSj is 50x. But what about the Kaoiken is it 20x ?[/quote]

Yes. Holy crap lol it's pretty common knowledge.

[TheGmGoken]

Are you serious. You need proof of Goku's base power? 3 million or 2.5 million if he's weaker. That's been stated for a long time my friend. Goku said Kaioken x20 kamehameha =/. What more do you want

I was literally about to say those exact same words lol ._. Dude if you don't even want to believe these levels then...[/quote]

OK i know so far Goku power is 3 million since Base to SSj is 50x. But what about the Kaoiken is it 20x ?[/quote]

No seriously. Are you 100% serious or are you trolling? I'm going to ask you again. What dub did you watch? What language manga you read? I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but dude that's common dbz knowledge. Why you think the games have Kaioken(KaiKen in BT3) x20 kamehameha? I think every dub said Kaioken x20 except for english(Funi). I think Portuguese said something else as well.

[Cardle grave]

No seriously. Are you 100% serious or are you trolling? I'm going to ask you again. What dub did you watch? What language manga you read? I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but dude that's common dbz knowledge. Why you think the games have Kaioken(KaiKen in BT3) x20 kamehameha? I think every dub said Kaioken x20 except for english(Funi). I think Portuguese said something else as well.[/quote]

Relax you sacks Genius, Just trying to figure out on each thing as i haven't watch that saga for a while

OK that doesn't make sense, How can Saiyan Saga have a multiplier on the kamehameha but this is overpowered. There has to be something towards it because every move is a multiplier of the user like the maseko or the special beam canon. I need to look into this further

[TheGmGoken]

No seriously. Are you 100% serious or are you trolling? I'm going to ask you again. What dub did you watch? What language manga you read? I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but dude that's common dbz knowledge. Why you think the games have Kaioken(KaiKen in BT3) x20 kamehameha? I think every dub said Kaioken x20 except for english(Funi). I think Portuguese said something else as well.

Relax you sacks Genius, Just trying to figure out on each thing as i haven't watch that saga for a while

OK that doesn't make sense, How can Saiyan Saga have a multiplier on the kamehameha but this is overpowered. There has to be something towards it because every move is a multiplier of the user like the maseko or the special beam canon. I need to look into this further[/quote]

Not EVERY attack is a multiplier. A kaioken kamehameha is as strong as the user's base power and the Kaioken boast he's using.

[TheGmGoken]

No seriously. Are you 100% serious or are you trolling? I'm going to ask you again. What dub did you watch? What language manga you read? I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but dude that's common dbz knowledge. Why you think the games have Kaioken(KaiKen in BT3) x20 kamehameha? I think every dub said Kaioken x20 except for english(Funi). I think Portuguese said something else as well.

Relax you sacks Genius, Just trying to figure out on each thing as i haven't watch that saga for a while

OK that doesn't make sense, How can Saiyan Saga have a multiplier on the kamehameha but this is overpowered. There has to be something towards it because every move is a multiplier of the user like the maseko or the special beam canon. I need to look into this further[/quote]

If you want to look further into how Ki works then go on here.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23777

[Cardle grave]

It is, Maseko was shown to be 2x of the user, Special beam Canon was more then 4x of Piccolo. it has something to do with the kaioken. Its Called the kaioken kamehameha so maybe (Kaioken kamehameha) raises it to 20x naturally as that may be the multiplier of the blast already.

So except of rising it by 2.3x he raised it 20x

I don't know i cant put my finger on it

Is there anything that state anything on Ki ?

[Draken]

Or it just adds power and doesn't multiply. Just adds so much at the time it seems to be a multiplier. Or it doesn't do anything at all and just gets stronger from concentrating all their ki into one spot. We can't say for sure.