Original Broadcast Dragon Ball Audio

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Re: Original Broadcast Dragon Ball Audio

Post by theoriginalbilis » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:02 am

I know it's a long shot and quite the gamble... but maybe FUNimation would be interested in using the original DB/DBZ broadcast audio for their proposed Blu-Ray release?
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Re: Original Broadcast Dragon Ball Audio

Post by mister yummy » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:31 am

Just take your Beta VCR, hook the audio out to an adaptor, and plug into your line in on your PC. Then use Windows Sound Recorder to cap the sound into WAV files.

OK, that might end up losing quite a bit of the audio quality... maybe use a different sound cap program and do the same thing. It's a 1 conversion process so it should be pretty lossless.

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Re: Original Broadcast Dragon Ball Audio

Post by Blade » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:50 am

mister yummy wrote:Just take your Beta VCR, hook the audio out to an adaptor, and plug into your line in on your PC. Then use Windows Sound Recorder to cap the sound into WAV files.

OK, that might end up losing quite a bit of the audio quality... maybe use a different sound cap program and do the same thing. It's a 1 conversion process so it should be pretty lossless.
It's not so much the program used to record the sound but the quality of the Analogue to Digital Conversion that the sound-card can offer. As me and Kei17 spoke about in the previous thread, to do this properly you really need to give the material to someone who has access to a proper studio. Consumer sound cards aren't really something we should consider using with material as potentially important as this!
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Re: Original Broadcast Dragon Ball Audio

Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:59 am

Blade wrote:
mister yummy wrote:Just take your Beta VCR, hook the audio out to an adaptor, and plug into your line in on your PC. Then use Windows Sound Recorder to cap the sound into WAV files.

OK, that might end up losing quite a bit of the audio quality... maybe use a different sound cap program and do the same thing. It's a 1 conversion process so it should be pretty lossless.
It's not so much the program used to record the sound but the quality of the Analogue to Digital Conversion that the sound-card can offer. As me and Kei17 spoke about in the previous thread, to do this properly you really need to give the material to someone who has access to a proper studio. Consumer sound cards aren't really something we should consider using with material as potentially important as this!
My proposition to record this material in 96/24 with low SNR and THD was more because of "epicness" of this material, than real quality. Let's face some facts:
1. Original mono masters prepared for TV show were medium quality (No expert is needed to figure out that mono tracks on soundtrack CDs sounds better)
2. They are degraded by: Playing -> Filters for TV broadcast (dynamic range compression, some equalisation) -> Analog modulation -> Transmission -> Receiving -> Recording -> Playing from tape.

Real quality of this material is faaar from 44/16 CDDA possibilities. I think that we are exaggerating a little bit :D

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Re: Original Broadcast Dragon Ball Audio

Post by Blade » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:03 am

Kojiro Sasaki wrote:
Blade wrote:
mister yummy wrote:Just take your Beta VCR, hook the audio out to an adaptor, and plug into your line in on your PC. Then use Windows Sound Recorder to cap the sound into WAV files.

OK, that might end up losing quite a bit of the audio quality... maybe use a different sound cap program and do the same thing. It's a 1 conversion process so it should be pretty lossless.
It's not so much the program used to record the sound but the quality of the Analogue to Digital Conversion that the sound-card can offer. As me and Kei17 spoke about in the previous thread, to do this properly you really need to give the material to someone who has access to a proper studio. Consumer sound cards aren't really something we should consider using with material as potentially important as this!
My proposition to record this material in 96/24 with low SNR and THD was more because of "epicness" of this material, than real quality. Let's face some facts:
1. Original mono masters prepared for TV show were medium quality (No expert is needed to figure out that mono tracks on soundtrack CDs sounds better)
2. They are degraded by: Playing -> Filters for TV broadcast (dynamic range compression, some equalisation) -> Analog modulation -> Transmission -> Receiving -> Recording -> Playing from tape.

Real quality of this material is faaar from 44/16 CDDA possibilities. I think that we are exaggerating a little bit :D
Of course the material itself will have been subject to a great deal of quality loss through both transmission compression and the limitations of the recording medium, but nevertheless, capturing the material from the tape as faithfully as possible is essential when thinking ahead to cleaning up the recordings once they're captured.

I mean, don't get me wrong - there are certain things that no level of restoration can properly restore. For starters, quality aside, there will be little, if any, dynamic range to work with.
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Re: Original Broadcast Dragon Ball Audio

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:37 am

What makes you guys think the audio is better quality than what's been officially released? I have almost all of the original broadcasts of Dragon Ball/Z on VHS and SVHS in storage.

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Re: Original Broadcast Dragon Ball Audio

Post by superrayman3 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:34 am

UpFromTheSkies wrote:What makes you guys think the audio is better quality than what's been officially released? I have almost all of the original broadcasts of Dragon Ball/Z on VHS and SVHS in storage.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qddtHLJMV5I It's not so much of an opinion in this case it's actually a fact and once you see the video for yourself you'll see that the audio on these VHS/Betamax tapes are better than what's been officially released.
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