Could Kai've been more condensed?

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Re: Could Kai've been more condensed?

Post by ABED » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:20 pm

Every episode needs to be about 20 minutes, and moments need to breath.
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Re: Could Kai've been more condensed?

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:31 pm

ABED wrote:Every episode needs to be about 20 minutes, and moments need to breath.
We're talking about covering three chapters, forty-two pages. Dragon Ball Z episode #4 covered the same amount of content. Dragon Ball Kai's problem was bad music selection artificially speeding the plot up, created a feel of disorientation. If proper editing (or an outright full re-animating of the story) occurs then the story can move smoothly and quickly. The extended recap and rescue scenes are all very unnecessary. With a few changes it would be very natural to have the plot move along smoothly. Dragon Ball Z episode #162 covered thirty pages of the comic and all that happened was Vegeta using the Final Flash.
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Re: Could Kai've been more condensed?

Post by ABED » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:15 pm

artificially speeding the plot up
of all the negatives this is the first I've heard of this one. Could you give an instance?
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Re: Could Kai've been more condensed?

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:28 pm

ABED wrote:
artificially speeding the plot up
of all the negatives this is the first I've heard of this one. Could you give an instance?
Nagasaki Yukio's music selection was done in a manner to produce a sense of the story moving quickly. There was always a lot of music underscoring scenes, even dialogue scenes. This gives off the effect that 'something' is happening, but the short of the long of it is that the overabundance of music was creating uneven pacing. Dialogue scenes rarely play out naturally because the music always feels as if it is pushing the story forward.

Covering three chapters an episode isn't difficult, especially for a series like Dragon Ball where there is only fourteen pages a chapter. Hajime no Ippo covered two hundred sixty-nine chapters of the comic in only seventy-five episodes, after all. Covering fourteen pages every six minutes shouldn't be too hard, especially for a comic with a lot of fight scenes.
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Re: Could Kai've been more condensed?

Post by ABED » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:33 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
ABED wrote:
artificially speeding the plot up
of all the negatives this is the first I've heard of this one. Could you give an instance?
Nagasaki Yukio's music selection was done in a manner to produce a sense of the story moving quickly. There was always a lot of music underscoring scenes, even dialogue scenes. This gives off the effect that 'something' is happening, but the short of the long of it is that the overabundance of music was creating uneven pacing. Dialogue scenes rarely play out naturally because the music always feels as if it is pushing the story forward.

Covering three chapters an episode isn't difficult, especially for a series like Dragon Ball where there is only fourteen pages a chapter. Hajime no Ippo covered two hundred sixty-nine chapters of the comic in only seventy-five episodes, after all. Covering fourteen pages every six minutes shouldn't be too hard, especially for a comic with a lot of fight scenes.
I never got that feeling. The music was fine and I never felt "uneven" pacing during dialog scenes, nor that they didn't play out naturally. Again, I was asking for an example, not an explanation.

I don't care how many pages get done per episode, I just want the scenes to breath when they need to.
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Re: Could Kai've been more condensed?

Post by DBZ Mick » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:58 am

Exactly. There's a difference between pacing a manga and a tv series.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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