SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Precaution I guess. This how I see Broly working in general:
LSSJ Broly: 7,000,000,000
-Omega Blaster: 8,000,000,000
-Omega Blaster(W/ More Energy): 9,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan(Adult): 6,255,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan(Kid): 7,500,000,000
-Father-Son Kamehameha: 8,800,000,000
SSJ2 Goku: 8,000,000,000
-Super Kamehameha: 9,000,000,000
Broly is a threat to the higher SSJ2 tiers but can only reach that power in a prolonged struggle IMO. In a straight up fight, Gohan will take this.

[Son_Gohan]

Toriyama has stated that the movies are of a different dimension from the original story, so a lot of what takes place isn't entirely applicable to it. I don't remember the Tenkaichi Budokai being mentioned either, yet Gohan is shown with his training gi on.

We see do see Videl flying & having short hair. And there is also no reason to assume that M10 Gohan is different from Boo arc Gohan.

Gohan states he had powered-up considerably when beginning to fight Broly, before even transforming. Whereas the original story depicts Gohan as weakened.

The movie was produced before that scene occurred in the manga and before it was established he had an issue with his rage-boost.

Still, Gohan was never shown having control of his rage, unless something very bad was to happen.

Broly diverts his Ki attack on Videl and the kids, ultimately leading to them getting injured. That's what caused Gohan to become angry.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gohan states he had powered-up considerably when beginning to fight Broly, before even transforming. Whereas the original story depicts Gohan as weakened.

Gohan says he has powered-up since the last time they met. Last time they met was in M8, and M8 Gohan was clearly weaker than Cell Games Gohan, not to mention that he didn't have Super Saiyan 2 back then.

Broly diverts his Ki attack on Videl and the kids, ultimately leading to them getting injured. That's what caused Gohan to become angry.

But whenever Gohan gets angry & powerful, his personality changes to more aggressive, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

[dbzfan7]

I'm with Broly.

[Kaboom]

For future reference, we have a single dedicated sticky thread for "Versus" discussions like this one. Had I noticed this thread earlier, I would have merged it.

[dbzfan7]

For future reference, we have a single dedicated sticky thread for "Versus" discussions like this one. Had I noticed this thread earlier, I would have merged it.

I thought so too. I wondered why it wasn't in the all purpose thread.

[Son_Gohan]

Gohan states he had powered-up considerably when beginning to fight Broly, before even transforming. Whereas the original story depicts Gohan as weakened.

Gohan says he has powered-up since the last time they met. Last time they met was in M8, and M8 Gohan was clearly weaker than Cell Games Gohan, not to mention that he didn't have Super Saiyan 2 back then.

Yet Gohan says it after tussling with Broly in base form before even considering to transform. It's hard to believe that Gohan in his normal state that purportedly hadn't trained for 7 years would be stronger than he was in their last encounter, where he was in training religiously. In the original story, the Daizenshuu notes his power not even changing after 7 years. So the movie is not shown to be applicable with it in that regard.

Broly diverts his Ki attack on Videl and the kids, ultimately leading to them getting injured. That's what caused Gohan to become angry.

But whenever Gohan gets angry & powerful, his personality changes to more aggressive, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

Against Cell he had a cold demeanor after transforming, but his physical attacks were actually effective in inflicting damage unlike in the movie.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Gohan states he had powered-up considerably when beginning to fight Broly, before even transforming. Whereas the original story depicts Gohan as weakened.

Gohan says he has powered-up since the last time they met. Last time they met was in M8, and M8 Gohan was clearly weaker than Cell Games Gohan, not to mention that he didn't have Super Saiyan 2 back then.

Yet Gohan says it after tussling with Broly in base form before even considering to transform. It's hard to believe that Gohan in his normal state that purportedly hadn't trained for 7 years would be stronger than he was in their last encounter, where he was in training religiously. In the original story, the Daizenshuu notes his power not even changing after 7 years. So the movie is not shown to be applicable with it in that regard.

The Daizenshuu also say that he wasn't as powerful as he was when he defeated Cell because he lacked anger AND didn't train. The fact that base Gohan was fighting is bull shit in and of itself.

[Son_Gohan]

The Daizenshuu also say that he wasn't as powerful as he was when he defeated Cell because he lacked anger AND didn't train. The fact that base Gohan was fighting is bull shit in and of itself.

I agree, they even portray base forms being on par with Majin Buu level opponents in GT. But that's Toei for you. Which is why it makes more sense to view their own products separate from the original story, it'll only cause confusion otherwise.

[PerfectFreeza]

Gohan fighting SSJ Broly in base is just the typical ''Base warm up'' phase, that the Saiyans go through.See M12 for example.
Goku states Janemba has the greatest ki, yet starts in base.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yet Gohan says it after tussling with Broly in base form before even considering to transform. It's hard to believe that Gohan in his normal state that purportedly hadn't trained for 7 years would be stronger than he was in their last encounter, where he was in training religiously. In the original story, the Daizenshuu notes his power not even changing after 7 years. So the movie is not shown to be applicable with it in that regard.

But their last encounter was in M8, not in the Cell Games. M8 Gohan is weaker than the Cell Games Gohan, and M10/Boo arc Gohan is as strong or weaker than Cell Games Gohan, which means that M8 Gohan < M10/Boo arc Gohan >= Cell Games Gohan.

[Axiom]

Obviously weaker, Gohan would lose this.

[Cardle grave]

Gohan would get crushed faster then he did in movie 10

7 years training is going to make up for any or whatever gap put in front and Broly crushed him so bad to the point where lava was his only chance, Meaning a Ssj2 kamehameha would of done jack. The same SSJ2 kamehameha which wiped cell of the planet

Not to mention, 2 SSj2 and SSj kamehameha done nothing to broly so how a Normal or even a high tier SSJ2 beating broly is beyond me

[PerfectFreeza]

Gohan is weaker than in Cell Games in both M10 and Buu saga though and he fared a lot better, than anybody in M8 did, Cardle.
Goku probably wasn't SSJ2 in M10, since he takes out Broly with Pikkon as just SSJ2 in M11 and that Kamehameha sent him off into the sun.

[Son_Gohan]

Yet Gohan says it after tussling with Broly in base form before even considering to transform. It's hard to believe that Gohan in his normal state that purportedly hadn't trained for 7 years would be stronger than he was in their last encounter, where he was in training religiously. In the original story, the Daizenshuu notes his power not even changing after 7 years. So the movie is not shown to be applicable with it in that regard.

But their last encounter was in M8, not in the Cell Games. M8 Gohan is weaker than the Cell Games Gohan, and M10/Boo arc Gohan is as strong or weaker than Cell Games Gohan, which means that M8 Gohan < M10/Boo arc Gohan >= Cell Games Gohan.

Is there any indication in the movie that he didn't train though? The fact that he fights Broly and states this line while in base form and not even transform right after saying it gives the impression that by "powered-up" he wasn't simply referring to SSJ2. Even his feats of tanking SSJ Broly's hits, and defending against his Ki attack all make him out to be way stronger than he should be.

[PerfectFreeza]

Is there any indication in the movie that he didn't train though? The fact that he fights Broly and states this line while in base form and not even transform right after saying it gives the impression that by "powered-up" he wasn't simply referring to SSJ2. Even his feats of tanking SSJ Broly's hits, and defending against his Ki attack all make him out to be way stronger than he should be.

Daizenshuu 6 places the movie in the normal timeline.The heroes always start in base.Goku states Janemba has the greatest ki, yet proceeds to fight him in base and even counters Janemba's fist with a ki blast, apparently harming him somewhat.

[Cardle grave]

Gohan is weaker than in Cell Games in both M10 and Buu saga though and he fared a lot better, than anybody in M8 did, Cardle.
Goku probably wasn't SSJ2 in M10, since he takes out Broly with Paikuhan as just SSJ2 in M11 and that Kamehameha sent him off into the sun.

And what proof is there of the hell thing. Not even movie 11 relates to movie 12 and i am not having a 50 page debate on you thinking your opinion is right and everything else is wrong.

Really 7 years training and still cant make up for a gap -.-

Not to mention his base being stronger then the SSJ kids

[Axiom]

Yet Gohan says it after tussling with Broly in base form before even considering to transform. It's hard to believe that Gohan in his normal state that purportedly hadn't trained for 7 years would be stronger than he was in their last encounter, where he was in training religiously. In the original story, the Daizenshuu notes his power not even changing after 7 years. So the movie is not shown to be applicable with it in that regard.

But their last encounter was in M8, not in the Cell Games. M8 Gohan is weaker than the Cell Games Gohan, and M10/Boo arc Gohan is as strong or weaker than Cell Games Gohan, which means that M8 Gohan < M10/Boo arc Gohan >= Cell Games Gohan.

Is there any indication in the movie that he didn't train though? The fact that he fights Broly and states this line while in base form and not even transform right after saying it gives the impression that by "powered-up" he wasn't simply referring to SSJ2. Even his feats of tanking SSJ Broly's hits, and defending against his Ki attack all make him out to be way stronger than he should be.

I think the strong implication here is that he's weaker, regardless of what he was in the Cell Saga.

[PerfectFreeza]

And what proof is there of the hell thing. Not even movie 11 relates to movie 12 and i am not having a 50 page debate on you thinking your opinion is right and everything else is wrong.

Really 7 years training and still cant make up for a gap -.-

Goku says only Buu pushed him to SSJ3, meaning Pikkon and SSJ2 Goku were enough to beat Broly.Why wouldn't it relate, when Paragus appears in M12?

Spoiler:

And I am not saying my opinion is right over everybody else's.That is extremely arrogant and defeats any purpose of debating.
Gohan doesn't say he trained, just that he powered up considerably since the last time he fought Broly a.k.a. Movie 8.In Movie 8, Gohan is portrayed as a weakling, even weaker than Piccolo.

[Draken]

i am not having a 50 page debate on you thinking your opinion is right and everything else is wrong.

Funny, it doesn't seem to bother you when it's the other way around