How strong was Dabura?

[TheMightyOzaru]

That's your opinion and mine is perfectly acceptable. He has a wide range of Battle powers. It just says Cell. Not Perfect Cell, Not Super Perfect Cell, no specification .

Well an opinion is an opinion but I don't think any character says another is as strong as someone else unless they are talking about maximums. I would never compare two individuals unless I was their maximums were the same. If he wanted to say Dabura was about the same strength as suppressed Perfect Cell then Goku would have just said "He is weaker than somebody we thought in the past." Also, how can we get a specification on which Cell? They never really had a name for Cell other than Cell for any of his forms. We as a community decided to make the distinction between Cells forms as Imperfect Cell, Semi-Perfect Cell, Perfect Cell and Super Perfect Cell. Goku can't really be specific about what level he was talking about. Honestly, you wouldn't say someone is about as strong as someone else unless you are talking maximums.

Not really. These are the Daizenshuu which like to be as vague as possible. Cell had such a wide array of BPs that we can't really say for sure which level of power they are referring to. It also makes no sense for a weaker FPSSJ Gohan to be tangling with the likes of someone as strong as Perfect Cell. I can buy it if Dabura was suppressing himself but within the context of the story, that makes little sense.

This is off topic but...FUCK your thumbs up!

excuse me? Can you try to refrain from being... weird.

[Hitiro]

Not really. These are the Daizenshuu which like to be as vague as possible. Cell had such a wide array of BPs that we can't really say for sure which level of power they are referring to. It also makes no sense for a weaker FPSSJ Gohan to be tangling with the likes of someone as strong as Perfect Cell. I can buy it if Dabura was suppressing himself but within the context of the story, that makes little sense.

We aren't talking about the Daizenshuu though. We are talking about Goku's comment. It is fair enough for the Daizenshuu to say it and for you to consider multiple Cell BP's but Goku isn't an encyclopaedia on Cell's BP's and the Dragon Ball universe. If Goku says Dabura is as strong as Cell we should take it at face value of him talking about the strongest Cell. Also, I believe the Daizenshuu says Gohan is fighting Dabura as a SSJ2. Considering an Enraged SSJ Kid Gohan with only 50% of his power was enough to overpower Super Perfect Cell's Kamehameha I would think a weakened SSJ2 Teen Gohan would still be a match for anybody Super Perfect Cell's level.

[TheMightyOzaru]

You can take it at face value if you want but it doesn't make sense within the context of the story. Goku says he is about as strong as Cell yet turns right around and says "he is much stronger than I thought" when Dabura is fighting Gohan even though Dabura and Gohan are evenly matched. We all know how stupid a lot of these character statements are in the Buu saga. For instance, Gotenks is pretty confident he can take Super Buu in his base form, are we to assume that he is stronger than Fat Buu, bare minimum, in base? Absolutely not. Feats > Character statements.

[Kamiccolo9]

If Babidi released Dabra's hidden powers, then perhaps the original Dabra meets the requirement of being a Makaioshin, which is to be weaker than Kaioshin.

I agree. That's what I was thinking when I made this thread.

[Hugo Boss]

These are the Daizenshuu which like to be as vague as possible. Cell had such a wide array of BPs that we can't really say for sure which level of power they are referring to. It also makes no sense for a weaker FPSSJ Gohan to be tangling with the likes of someone as strong as Perfect Cell. I can buy it if Dabura was suppressing himself but within the context of the story, that makes little sense.

It makes sense if you admit Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2. If you go by art, you will always think Gohan was a regular Super Saiyan, but the plot implies he was a Super Saiyan 2. Dabura has the same battle power as Super Perfect Cell, but is stronger by skills and magic. Gohan SSJ2 is as strong as Super Perfect Cell. These 3 are on the same "tier", as you guys commonly say.

[Zephyr]

The Daizenshuu 7 says Dabura is equal to Cell. Problem is, we don't know which Cell or what level of power he has shown in the past. I just say he is roughly equal to the Cell that fought Goku.

The man who boasts the greatest power in the Demon Realm, a place said to exist on the opposite side of the universe from where Goku and co. live. He had his heart manipulated by Babidi, and become his underling. On top of having a battle power equal to Cell's, he is also skilled in magic. After dying, Enma Daio judged that as king of the Dark Demon Realm he would be happy in Hell, and so he sent him to Heaven.

From that quote, it'd have to be Perfect Cell at least. The post-RoSaT Super Saiyans were in Perfect Cell's general tier, and no matter how much Gohan slacked off I can't see him being rusty to the point where he has trouble taking out someone as weak as Cell's 2nd form (or worse, his 1st).

[Draken]

The Daizenshuu 7 says Dabura is equal to Cell. Problem is, we don't know which Cell or what level of power he has shown in the past. I just say he is roughly equal to the Cell that fought Goku.

The man who boasts the greatest power in the Demon Realm, a place said to exist on the opposite side of the universe from where Goku and co. live. He had his heart manipulated by Babidi, and become his underling. On top of having a battle power equal to Cell's, he is also skilled in magic. After dying, Enma Daio judged that as king of the Dark Demon Realm he would be happy in Hell, and so he sent him to Heaven.

From that quote, it'd have to be Perfect Cell at least. The post-RoSaT Super Saiyans were in Perfect Cell's general tier, and no matter how much Gohan slacked off I can't see him being rusty to the point where he has trouble taking out someone as weak as Cell's 2nd form (or worse, his 1st).

Wait the post-RoSaT SSJ's still weren't close to FPPC though. That fag was suppressing himself for forever until enraged SSJ2.

[Zephyr]

Wait the post-RoSaT SSJ's still weren't close to FPPC though. That fag was suppressing himself for forever until enraged SSJ2.

What I pulled from the series was that they were at least much closer to Perfect Cell than 2nd form Cell. Cell was actually having fun fighting Goku, and he was somewhat surprised (though not all too challenged) by Gohan. Vegeta as a Grade II completely dwarfed 2nd form Cell, and yet he himself was very clearly dwarfed by Perfect Cell. Post RoSaT SSj Goku and Gohan weren't nearly dwarfed like that by him. That leads me to believe that Dabura having a seemingly even match with post-RoSaT SSj Gohan indicates that he is closer in power to Perfect Cell than to 2nd form Cell.

[Tyro]

That fag was suppressing himself for forever until enraged SSJ2.

I'm not trying to walk on eggshells but that isn't a nice thing to say.

[Draken]

Wait the post-RoSaT SSJ's still weren't close to FPPC though. That fag was suppressing himself for forever until enraged SSJ2.

What I pulled from the series was that they were at least much closer to Perfect Cell than 2nd form Cell. Cell was actually having fun fighting Goku, and he was somewhat surprised (though not all too challenged) by Gohan. Vegeta as a Grade II completely dwarfed 2nd form Cell, and yet he himself was very clearly dwarfed by Perfect Cell. Post RoSaT SSj Goku and Gohan weren't nearly dwarfed like that by him. That leads me to believe that Dabura having a seemingly even match with post-RoSaT SSj Gohan indicates that he is closer in power to Perfect Cell than to 2nd form Cell.

Well the jump in power between Semi-Perfect Cell and FPPC is immense, so....

I'm not trying to walk on eggshells but that isn't a nice thing to say.

I'm sorry, what's a better word to describe FPPC? Sadist? Bastard? Crazy maniac? Bitch?

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm not trying to walk on eggshells but that isn't a nice thing to say.

I'm sorry, what's a better word to describe FPPC? Sadist? Bastard? Crazy maniac? Bitch?

This.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-YcPI8xCM

[Tyro]

I'm sorry, what's a better word to describe FPPC? Sadist? Bastard? Crazy maniac? Bitch?

What's wrong with "Wait the post-RoSaT SSJ's still weren't close to FPPC though. That guy was suppressing himself for forever until enraged SSJ2." Or "that evil guy" or "that monster" or anything. Jerk, scum, dirtbag, etc.

[Draken]

I'm sorry, what's a better word to describe FPPC? Sadist? Bastard? Crazy maniac? Bitch?

What's wrong with "Wait the post-RoSaT SSJ's still weren't close to FPPC though. That guy was suppressing himself for forever until enraged SSJ2." Or "that evil guy" or "that monster" or anything. Jerk, scum, dirtbag, etc.

Did I ever say anything was wrong with it?

[Tyro]

Did I ever say anything was wrong with it?

In the connotation you used you didn't mean gay in the homosexual sense, which I think you're implying here when you say that there's nothing wrong with it. You used a derogatory term to refer to a villain, but that's often viewed as an offense word. It would be similar to you saying "That nigger was suppressing himself for forever until enraged SSJ2." You still just mean that aggravating bad guy but it doesn't make it a nonsensitive word.

I also don't mean to sound like I'm trying to call you out because I know you don't mean anything by it. Just like people don't often mean anything offense when they talk about "not liking the Jap voices." But Jap is a racial slur so it should be avoided and appropriately shortened to JPN.

[Draken]

Did I ever say anything was wrong with it?

In the connotation you used you didn't mean gay in the homosexual sense, which I think you're implying here when you say that there's nothing wrong with it. You used a derogatory term to refer to a villain, but that's often viewed as an offense word. It would be similar to you saying "That nigger was suppressing himself for forever until enraged SSJ2." You still just mean that aggravating bad guy but it doesn't make it a nonsensitive word.

I also don't mean to sound like I'm trying to call you out because I know you don't mean anything by it. Just like people don't often mean anything offense when they talk about "not liking the Jap voices." But Jap is a racial slur so it should be avoided and appropriately shortened to JPN.

If you're that sensitive I suggest you stay off the internet. Or I would have rage quit about 2472319041 times from now by being called azn/asian/chink/nerd/bitch/fag/dick. It's an internet forum, all in fun.

[Godo]

I like to see this forum as the one part of the Internet where people can converse and act like adults.
I also expect people to have a higher vocabulary to be able to express themselves without having to retort to using swear words and slurs.
This is one of the reasons I joined and also the kind of vibe I have gotten from here the last 6 years I have been active here.
To have the expression that the Internet is and should remain a place where people can't act civilized is laziness.

[VegettoEX]

If you're that sensitive I suggest you stay off the internet. Or I would have rage quit about 2472319041 times from now by being called azn/asian/chink/nerd/bitch/fag/dick. It's an internet forum, all in fun.

You agreed to a certain set of rules (twice) before you registered.

If you didn't agree with them then, you shouldn't be posting here. Posts like the one you used are unacceptable, you agreed that that they were unacceptable, and you are therefore being held accountable for it by the community (as well as me).

[TheGmGoken]

excuse me? Can you try to refrain from being... weird.

No one's normal. Everyone is weird.

[Draken]

If you're that sensitive I suggest you stay off the internet. Or I would have rage quit about 2472319041 times from now by being called azn/asian/chink/nerd/bitch/fag/dick. It's an internet forum, all in fun.

You agreed to a certain set of rules (twice) before you registered.

If you didn't agree with them then, you shouldn't be posting here. Posts like the one you used are unacceptable, you agreed that that they were unacceptable, and you are therefore being held accountable for it by the community (as well as me).

I don't see a single rule that says I can't use that word. The tone and emphasis was not towards a forum member, it was towards a fictional character in a manga. The grammar usage in my sentence was correct, my posting style was obviously Dragon Ball, and I'm not sure how I could have possibly broken the bootlegging, avatar/sig, or registration rules. Which of the 7 rules did I break again?

[Godo]

If you're that sensitive I suggest you stay off the internet. Or I would have rage quit about 2472319041 times from now by being called azn/asian/chink/nerd/bitch/fag/dick. It's an internet forum, all in fun.

You agreed to a certain set of rules (twice) before you registered.

If you didn't agree with them then, you shouldn't be posting here. Posts like the one you used are unacceptable, you agreed that that they were unacceptable, and you are therefore being held accountable for it by the community (as well as me).

I don't see a single rule that says I can't use that word. The tone and emphasis was not towards a forum member, it was towards a fictional character in a manga. The grammar usage in my sentence was correct, my posting style was obviously Dragon Ball, and I'm not sure how I could have possibly broken the bootlegging, avatar/sig, or registration rules. Which of the 7 rules did I break again?

Rule # 3: All contributions should be polite, accepting, and written properly.
Calling Cell a derogatory slur is not polite.

Rule #4: Your opinions must be expressed with civility.
It seems as if you have interpreted the rule to only being towards member-to-member discussions, but what I interpret is that it mentions both instances towards tone against member-to-member and member-to-franchise.

Rule #7: The rules are not necessarily to be taken literally each and every step of the way, and are always up to interpretation by the administrators and moderators, only.
Whelp, we both broke that one.