How strong is Grey Buu?

[PerfectFreeza]

Wasn't Gohan like hiding his power?It's also possible they were too focus on Super Buu and Gotenks.They started watching that fight through the Crystal Ball, so they didn't need to sense ki then I guess.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Piccolo probably wasn't focused at that point. He thought Dende was eaten by Boo, yet Gohan shows up and is like "Don't you sense Dende's Chi? It's there.", then they find him, lol. I agree that Gohan and Kaioshin were shocked at Goku's power, but when it comes to Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, they were aware of what was going on, so there was no room for the shock factor. With Super Boo, Super Saiyan 3 Goku, no one had any idea what was going on, so all they had to rely on was sensing what was going on.

Probably doesn't make much sense, but this stuff is kinda weird to explain. I guess I see things differently because I don't think Fat Boo was nearing Super Boo's power.

[Kamiccolo9]

Piccolo probably wasn't focused at that point. He thought Dende was eaten by Boo, yet Gohan shows up and is like "Don't you sense Dende's Chi? It's there.", then they find him, lol. I agree that Gohan and Kaioshin were shocked at Goku's power, but when it comes to Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, they were aware of what was going on, so there was no room for the shock factor. With Super Boo, Super Saiyan 3 Goku, no one had any idea what was going on, so all they had to rely on was sensing what was going on.

Probably doesn't make much sense, but this stuff is kinda weird to explain. I guess I see things differently because I don't think Fat Boo was nearing Super Boo's power.

No one was focusing on sensing ki when Goku went SSJ3 either, so that point doesn't really work.
They weren't expecting Gotenks to be that strong though, so his ki should have still shocked him, yet they acted like they didn't even feel it. Remember that Goku wasn't expecting Gotenks to become a SSJ3.

As for Fat Buu, that's just my way of making Mr. Buu + Pure Evil Buu=Super Buu make sense. Super Buu is composed of the same parts as Fat Buu, so Fat Buu should, theoretically, be capable of the same level of power. Seeing as he powers up when he gets angry, and the angriest he ever got was right before he split, I have him reaching Super Buu's level for the instant before he expels Pure Evil Buu.

Wasn't Gohan like hiding his power?It's also possible they were too focus on Super Buu and Gotenks.They started watching that fight through the Crystal Ball, so they didn't need to sense ki then I guess.

Buu was able to sense him. And he definitely wasn't hiding his power when he got mad and powered up.
They didn't need to sense Goku either. His ki just appeared out of nowhere and blew them away. SSJ3 Gotenk should have done the same, if not more, when he popped out of the ROSAT, yet his ki didn't have any affect on anyone.

[Saiga]

Pre-RoSaT Gotenks wasn't ever shown to have his ki felt from the Kaioshin realm. And I don't think we can say that not having your ki sensed in that realm means you can't be SS3 tier.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Piccolo probably wasn't focused at that point. He thought Dende was eaten by Boo, yet Gohan shows up and is like "Don't you sense Dende's Chi? It's there.", then they find him, lol. I agree that Gohan and Kaioshin were shocked at Goku's power, but when it comes to Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, they were aware of what was going on, so there was no room for the shock factor. With Super Boo, Super Saiyan 3 Goku, no one had any idea what was going on, so all they had to rely on was sensing what was going on.

Probably doesn't make much sense, but this stuff is kinda weird to explain. I guess I see things differently because I don't think Fat Boo was nearing Super Boo's power.

No one was focusing on sensing ki when Goku went SSJ3 either, so that point doesn't really work.
They weren't expecting Gotenks to be that strong though, so his ki should have still shocked him, yet they acted like they didn't even feel it. Remember that Goku wasn't expecting Gotenks to become a SSJ3.

But the situations are different. They weren't doing anything on the Kaioshin planet, while Piccolo was focused on not keeping Super Boo from squashing them like ants. Also, based on the fact that Piccolo couldn't sense Dende, or thought Base Gotenks had a chance against Super Boo is enough to show there's some inconsistency there. I don't think it'd be hard for something like that to slip by him. They weren't, but they saw him and realized he was indeed a Super Saiyan 3. And since Gotenks is on-par with Super Boo, if not stronger, I don't think it needs to be said. Gotenks Boo was significantly more powerful than Super Boo, but we didn't need them to reiterate this from the Kaioshin world.

[PerfectFreeza]

Saiga, he was.Goku says he can't sense the kids or Buu anymore when they go in Rosat, meaning he felt them at one point before.

[Kamiccolo9]

Piccolo probably wasn't focused at that point. He thought Dende was eaten by Boo, yet Gohan shows up and is like "Don't you sense Dende's Chi? It's there.", then they find him, lol. I agree that Gohan and Kaioshin were shocked at Goku's power, but when it comes to Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, they were aware of what was going on, so there was no room for the shock factor. With Super Boo, Super Saiyan 3 Goku, no one had any idea what was going on, so all they had to rely on was sensing what was going on.

Probably doesn't make much sense, but this stuff is kinda weird to explain. I guess I see things differently because I don't think Fat Boo was nearing Super Boo's power.

No one was focusing on sensing ki when Goku went SSJ3 either, so that point doesn't really work.
They weren't expecting Gotenks to be that strong though, so his ki should have still shocked him, yet they acted like they didn't even feel it. Remember that Goku wasn't expecting Gotenks to become a SSJ3.

But the situations are different. They weren't doing anything on the Kaioshin planet, while Piccolo was focused on not keeping Super Boo from squashing them like ants. Also, based on the fact that Piccolo couldn't sense Dende, or thought Base Gotenks had a chance against Super Boo is enough to show there's some inconsistency there. I don't think it'd be hard for something like that to slip by him. They weren't, but they saw him and realized he was indeed a Super Saiyan 3. And since Gotenks is on-par with Super Boo, if not stronger, I don't think it needs to be said. Gotenks Boo was significantly more powerful than Super Boo, but we didn't need them to reiterate this from the Kaioshin world.

Gohan was concentrating on training with the Z Sword, yet he still felt Goku's ki.
They should have felt Gotenks ki as soon as he left the ROSAT, yet they didn't. This is the guy who, if his SSJ1=SSJ3 Goku like many think, is 8 times stronger then the guy who grabbed everyone's attention without even trying. There should have been some reaction to that. None of the guys on Kaioshin's planet were doing anything that would keep them from sensing him.
Gohan and Piccolo didn't immediately sense Pure Buu and Goku upon being revived, they didn't sense Gotenks from the Kaioshin Realm, no one except Buu sensed Gohan (if Buu could sense Gohan while he was fighting, why couldn't Piccolo or Gotenks?)

[Saiga]

Saiga, he was.Goku says he can't sense the kids or Buu anymore when they go in Rosat, meaning he felt them at one point before.

He didn't actually mention the kids in the original Japanese. Herms cleared this up before, originally he had translated it as the boys being felt but said that it wasn't specified, and on further examination the context of the conversation made it clear he was talking about Evil Boo's ki.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Just took a brief look at Kid Boo's fight with Mr. Boo. Where in this entire fight is he shown to be Super Saiyan 3 tier?

Kamiccolo, I dunno, man. None of them made any mention of sensing Gotenks Boo's Chi, but of course, we know they did if they were able to sense a weaker Super Boo.

Apparently, Gohan was able to sense Fat Boo after his fight with Super Saiyan 3 Goku, so that'd put him in that tier at least.

[Kamiccolo9]

Just took a brief look at Kid Boo's fight with Mr. Boo. Where in this entire fight is he shown to be Super Saiyan 3 tier?

Kamiccolo, I dunno, man. None of them made any mention of sensing Gotenks Boo's Chi, but of course, we know they did if they were able to sense a weaker Super Boo.

Apparently, Gohan was able to sense Fat Boo after his fight with Super Saiyan 3 Goku, so that'd put him in that tier at least.

RandomGuy can answer the first question better that I can, so I'll let him handle that.

Yet none of them shocked anyone like Goku did, even though they were much stronger. This strikes me as an inconsistency. I'm not saying it as fact, but it makes more sense to me to disregard the "only powers of a certain level can be sensed from the Kaioshin Realm theory" since for some reason, Goku's power had more of an effect on people than people who were far stronger than he was, and some of these immensely strong people had no physical effect on the people who were sensing them.

[PerfectFreeza]

He didn't actually mention the kids in the original Japanese. Herms cleared this up before, originally he had translated it as the boys being felt but said that it wasn't specified, and on further examination the context of the conversation made it clear he was talking about Evil Boo's ki.

Thank you for telling me.
It's still possible though, that Pre-Rosat SSJ1 Gotenks is around SSJ3 Goku.

[Saiga]

Just took a brief look at Kid Boo's fight with Mr. Boo. Where in this entire fight is he shown to be Super Saiyan 3 tier?

That's what makes me think he is. Well, when I say SS3-tier I don't mean on par with SS3 Goku but being closer to that level than he is to a Super Saiyan 2, the level most people seem to put him. He puts up a far better fight than Vegeta did, and looks to be decently close to Pure Boo while still being at a noticeable disadvantage.

PerfectFreeza No problem, and yeah it is still possible. After all, right now I'm arguing that it isn't necessary to be sensed from the realm to be SS3 tier.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

To be honest, I always thought the "sense from other planets" theory was interesting, but it was never my reason for putting Grey Boo where he is. I just like talking about it.

I think Fat Boo is weaker than Goku but still Super Saiyan 3 tier. I just don't think Mr or Grey are.

Saiga, I usually just put Mr. Boo in the middle of a Super Saiyan 2 and 3 at the most. I don't think he looks decently close, though. He admits like 2 pages in that he can't handle Kid Boo--and the rest of the fight does a good job in demonstrating an immense difference between them.

[Saiga]

Saiga, I usually just put Mr. Boo in the middle of a Super Saiyan 2 and 3 at the most. I don't think he looks decently close, though. He admits like 2 pages in that he can't handle Kid Boo--and the rest of the fight does a good job in demonstrating an immense difference between them.

If you'll forgive me, my rather tentative numbers are:

Spoiler:

Fat Boo: 28,800,000,000
SS3 Goku: 32,000,000,000
Mr Boo: 24,500,000,000
Pure Boo: 30,000,000,000 - 34,000,000,000 (I can't decide whether he's stronger, weaker, or dead even with Goku)

Mr Boo took numerous blows from Pure Boo that he neither regenerated from nor seem to show much injury from, and he landed a few blows of his own. There was also a panel of them trading multiple blows that makes Boo look like a decent enough match for Pure Boo.

[RandomGuy96]

Yeah, he bounced back from/regenerated from numerous blows from a pissed off Kid Buu and actually managed to damage him with a headbutt, a blast that takes off Buu's arm, and a choke slam. He also trades blows with him on even terms. He later tackles and restrains Kid Buu. Heck, Kid Buu even looks scared when narrowly avoiding Good Buu's blast, and has a serious/angry face on for most of the fight.

I think the series has enough examples to show that Good Buu can't do this well if he's only a 20 or 25 to Kid Buu's 40. His hits would be tanked, he wouldn't be able to hit the fast beast at all if he wanted to, and he'd be majorly damaged with only a few blows, if not defeated in one hit a la Goku vs the Ginyus.

[PerfectFreeza]

There is one more thing, that popped to my mind.
And that is:Why wasn't Piccolo worried and didn't send the kids into Rosat, when Gray Buu appeared?

[TheGmGoken]

There is one more thing, that popped to my mind.
And that is:Why wasn't Piccolo worried and didn't send the kids into Rosat, when Gray Buu appeared?

Plot? Maybe he thought Gotenks could handle it. I have Gray Buu above SSJ2 Goku but weaker than SSJ3 Goku.

[PerfectFreeza]

But Gray Buu is the mayority of Super Buu's power, no?

[Saiga]

There is one more thing, that popped to my mind.
And that is:Why wasn't Piccolo worried and didn't send the kids into Rosat, when Gray Buu appeared?

I think at that point he was just waiting to see what would happen next before making a decision.

[TheGmGoken]

But Gray Buu is the mayority of Super Buu's power, no?

Majority but not enough for someone to shit themselves.