What if bardock saved planet vegeta

[Monkey D Goku]

Bardock uses the mafuba wave on Frieza sacrificing his life in the process. Frieza is sealed away ( I don't know in what ) King Vegeta is already dead at this point.

So either the sayians elect a new leader or Prince Vegeta returns and takes over.

From there I don't know.

[TheGmGoken]

Well to be honest I think Bardock jumped to around 20,000 upon getting a Zenkai so I think SSJ Bardock could beat Freeza into the ground upon attempting to transform. The question is would he let him transform? I think he would the first time to satisfy his Saiyan pride. After struggling with Second Form Freeza, if he doesn't lose, I don't think he'd even let Freeza attempt transforming again.

You think Bardock's Zenkai after being healed from that guy who can see the future got him to 20,000? Or are you talking about if he healed from Dodoria and then got a zenkai.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That one seemed far fetch to me. And Zenkai's have no set boost so we don't know how much he could get.

Exactly, maybe Bardock would get a x2 boost, or a x20 boost. You never know.

After his near death experiences Bardock doesn't even break 10,000

What near death experiences are you talking about?

[NitroEX]

To me the obvious route would be:

Bardock becomes saviour of the Saiyans and the new King. Perhaps he becomes an evil tyrant much like Frieza (except he'd grant Goku a free pass to conquer Earth). I figure things would play out in a similar fashion with rebellious Saiyans spawned from an overthrown King Vegeta looking for revenge on Goku who would technically be the prince of Saiyans instead of Vegeta. From there Goku would learn of his heritage and would inevitably go on to meet and fight his father on Planet Namek.

Maybe you'de get a cliche "I'm your father!" moment thrown in there but other than that it could be a decent spin.

[Monkey D Goku]

To me the obvious route would be:

Bardock becomes saviour of the Saiyans and the new King. Perhaps he becomes an evil tyrant much like Freeza (except he'd grant Goku a free pass to conquer Earth). I figure things would play out in a similar fashion with rebellious Saiyans spawned from an overthrown King Vegeta looking for revenge on Goku who would technically be the prince of Saiyans instead of Vegeta. From there Goku would learn of his heritage and would inevitably go on to meet and fight his father on Planet Namek.

Maybe you'de get a cliche "I'm your father!" moment thrown in there but other than that it could be a decent spin.

I don't know about that Bardock doesn't seem like the type to just suddenly turn evil and fuck with other people for no reason like Frieza.
The special makes it seem like he regretted killing all those people after seeing his teammates die by Dodoria's hands.

Plus all the psychic powers seeing into the future having Goku talk to him about changing his ways.

I think he would become a benevolent ruler or one that doesn't just kill for no reason.

[RandomGuy96]

Bardock doesn't have to turn evil. He IS evil. He didn't care about the people he killed, he was just pissed off that Freeza was trying to kill them all.

[Monkey D Goku]

Bardock doesn't have to turn evil. He IS evil. He didn't care about the people he killed, he was just pissed off that Freeza was trying to kill them all.

No I recall the scene were he said to Frieza " This is for all the people we killed in your name ! " He did care to a small extent.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm 99% sure that was a dub line. I usually like Funimation's dub but that special was particularly awful. Of course I could be wrong, but I get the feeling it is since that dub is usually what makes people think that Bardock was a good guy.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm 99% sure that was a dub line. I usually like Funimation's dub but that special was particularly awful. Of course I could be wrong, but I get the feeling it is since that dub is usually what makes people think that Bardock was a good guy.

Yup it was a dub line. in the Original Bardock was just pissed that Feeeza was going to kill them.

[DBZ Mick]

I'm 99% sure that was a dub line. I usually like Funimation's dub but that special was particularly awful. Of course I could be wrong, but I get the feeling it is since that dub is usually what makes people think that Bardock was a good guy.

Indeed and the Bardock TV special has an especially appallingly bad- no terrible dub. One of FUNi's worst...

Personally I think if Bardock would have taken over and been some evil tyrant. I can't see him caring about Goku despite all of the visions, he'd just laugh them off. He'd be more along the likes of what we saw of him at the beginning of the special...

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I think a second Zenkai would just give Bardock the victory without much question. I don't think Bardock would let him transform.

Freeza's transformation doesn't take longer than a few seconds.

[dbzfan7]

After his near death experiences Bardock doesn't even break 10,000

What near death experiences are you talking about?

Didn't he have a near death experience in pretty much every mission? Didn't the doctor say something like that?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Didn't he have a near death experience in pretty much every mission? Didn't the doctor say something like that?

Yeah, and the last time he went almost 10.000, which is very big for a low-class. He was stronger than Goku after Kaio's training (not counting Kaio-ken).
As for EoB, he seems to have gotten a near-death power-up that made him go to at least 90.000.

[Kamiccolo9]

Didn't he have a near death experience in pretty much every mission? Didn't the doctor say something like that?

Yeah, and the last time he went almost 10.000, which is very big for a low-class. He was stronger than Goku after Kaio's training (not counting Kaio-ken).
As for EoB, he seems to have gotten a near-death power-up that made him go to at least 90.000.

What makes you put him that high?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What makes you put him that high?

To become a Super Saiyan, one of the conditions is to have surpassed the Saiyan limits, and Goku surpassed the Saiyan limits when he went to 90.000.

[Kamiccolo9]

What makes you put him that high?

To become a Super Saiyan, one of the conditions is to have surpassed the Saiyan limits, and Goku surpassed the Saiyan limits when he went to 90.000.

90,000 wasn't the limit; it was past the limit. We don't know what the actual limit was. Wouldn't Trunks have been under 90,000 since his SSJ was losing to Future Gohan's base?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

90,000 wasn't the limit; it was past the limit.

That's what I said.

Wouldn't Trunks have been under 90,000 since his SSJ was losing to Future Gohan's base?

Trunks (and Gotenks) are different. They are Saiyan Halflings with the ability to become Super Saiyans at a young age.

[Kamiccolo9]

90,000 wasn't the limit; it was past the limit.

That's what I said.

If it's past the limit, then why would Bardock have to be at 90,000? The limit could be, say, 40,000, and Bardock could be at 50,000. Anything above Vegeta's level while fighting the Ginyu force could conceivably be the limit for the SSJ transformation.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The smaller number we know to be past the limit is 90.000, so I go by that.

[Kamiccolo9]

The smaller number we know to be past the limit is 90.000, so I go by that.

Fair enough. That makes Chilled an absolute beast compared to Freeza's weaker forms though, and I'm personally not a big fan of that. I have Bardock getting bumped up to 50,000, so he'd be roughly on par with Freeza's 3rd form after transforming.