SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku By How Much?

[rereboy]

So SSJ Goku > SSJ Gotenks? He was only afraid when Evil Boo appeared but was not of Fat Boo

In my opinion, SSJ Gotenks < SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku. And Piccolo was terrified of every Buu. He was just more afraid of Super Buu because he was stronger than Fat Buu.

[Kaboom]

Kaboom: How can Gotenks be just 2X Goku when his SSJ Pre Rosat was at least eqaul to him?

Well, for one, being able to beat Fat Boo does not have to mean "stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku" as well. Goku could defeat Boo all along, so if there's a big gap, Gotenks could easily fall somewhere between them.

But that aside, Goku's prediction was never proven true. Super Saiyan Gotenks never got to face Fat Boo in battle, for one. But in addition to that, there was never even any sort of verbal confirmation. No "wow, this is definitely enough power" or "you can beat Majin Boo for sure" or anything like that. Just generic "your ki is incredible" statements with no actual direct comparison to Boo. So there's no strict necessity to actually have Gotenks stronger than Boo yet.

I'll admit it's a little bit of a weaselly way to go about it, but it works for the sake of making post-Z things work better together like I mentioned. It also has the support of the guidebooks, which say Gotenks didn't surpass Vegeta, much less Boo or Goku, until after his Room of Spirit and Time training.

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ Gotenks Pre only has to be close to Majin Buu to have the story make sense. That's assuming, however, Goku knows what he's talking about.

[Undertaker]

So SSJ Goku > SSJ Gotenks? He was only afraid when Evil Boo appeared but was not of Fat Boo

In my opinion, SSJ Gotenks < SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku. And Piccolo was terrified of every Buu. He was just more afraid of Super Buu because he was stronger than Fat Buu.

SSJ Gotenks was stated to be > Fat Boo and it's backed up, Piccolo was afraid when Evil Boo appeared while he had no problems sending Gotenks fighting Fat Boo

[Kamiccolo9]

So SSJ Goku > SSJ Gotenks? He was only afraid when Evil Boo appeared but was not of Fat Boo

In my opinion, SSJ Gotenks < SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku. And Piccolo was terrified of every Buu. He was just more afraid of Super Buu because he was stronger than Fat Buu.

SSJ Gotenks was stated to be > Fat Boo and it's backed up, Piccolo was afraid when Evil Boo appeared while he had no problems sending Gotenks fighting Fat Boo

He never sent Gotenks to fight Fat Buu.

[Axiom]

As I said before, if Gotenks is stronger, it's not by much.

[Undertaker]

Kaboom: How can Gotenks be just 2X Goku when his SSJ Pre Rosat was at least eqaul to him?

Well, for one, being able to beat Fat Boo does not have to mean "stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku" as well. Goku could defeat Boo all along, so if there's a big gap, Gotenks could easily fall somewhere between them.

But that aside, Goku's prediction was never proven true. Super Saiyan Gotenks never got to face Fat Boo in battle, for one. But in addition to that, there was never even any sort of verbal confirmation. No "wow, this is definitely enough power" or "you can beat Majin Boo for sure" or anything like that. Just generic "your ki is incredible" statements with no actual direct comparison to Boo. So there's no strict necessity to actually have Gotenks stronger than Boo yet.

I'll admit it's a little bit of a weaselly way to go about it, but it works for the sake of making post-Z things work better together like I mentioned. It also has the support of the guidebooks, which say Gotenks didn't surpass Vegeta, much less Boo or Goku, until after his Room of Spirit and Time training.

SSJ3 Goku is not leagues ahead of Fat Boo and Goku was sure the kids would beat Boo and nothing contradicts it as he tells Piccolo to not use the Rosat

When Gotenks is born, no one denied what Goku said. Piccolo says his ki is incredible after sensing Fat Boo and he asks for his speed. Why not power as well? That means power is enough. SSJ Gotenks was also felt from the Kaioshin realm where only SSJ tier and above can be felt

Piccolo had no problems allowing Gotenks fight Fat Boo and was only worried when Evil Boo had shown up

The Daiz says Base Gotenks > SSJ2 Vegeta

[Undertaker]

So SSJ Goku > SSJ Gotenks? He was only afraid when Evil Boo appeared but was not of Fat Boo

In my opinion, SSJ Gotenks < SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku. And Piccolo was terrified of every Buu. He was just more afraid of Super Buu because he was stronger than Fat Buu.

SSJ Gotenks was stated to be > Fat Boo and it's backed up, Piccolo was afraid when Evil Boo appeared while he had no problems sending Gotenks fighting Fat Boo

He never sent Gotenks to fight Fat Buu.[/quote]

He never had any problems allowing Gotenks fight him

[Undertaker]

As I said before, if Gotenks is stronger, it's not by much.

He is leagues ahead of Goku

[Kaboom]

SSJ3 Goku is not leagues ahead of Fat Boo and Goku was sure the kids would beat Boo and nothing contradicts it as he tells Piccolo to not use the Rosat

And nothing confirmed it either, like I said. A prediction is only a prediction until it's proven true. My approach works fine and doesn't directly contradict anything.

The Daiz says Base Gotenks > SSJ2 Vegeta

He says no such thing. He died a long time before Gotenks or any Super Saiyan 2s were ever around. If you meant the "Daizenshuu," then I'm sure that if one of the books did say such a thing, I would know about it.

As I said before, if Gotenks is stronger, it's not by much.

He is leagues ahead of Goku

I don't get it... why do you create threads like this, asking about other people's opinions, if all you're going to do is keep telling people they're wrong?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

About 3-4x stronger.

Both Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Saiyan Gotenks can likely waste the fat man, so them being around the same power, or Goku being stronger doesn't change the story. The entire premise of fusion being needed to handle Boo was based on the fact that Super Saiyan 3 Goku wasn't powerful enough to stop Boo...which was later shown to be a lie, anyway.

[Kamiccolo9]

He never had any problems allowing Gotenks fight him

Gotenks never went to fight him after he got beat up the first time. We don't know how Piccolo would have reacted.

And stop double and triple posting please.

[SSJ4_Zankuto]

I have SSjin 3 Gotenks about 2.5x to 4x stronger than SSjin 3 Goku.

[Undertaker]

SSJ3 Goku is not leagues ahead of Fat Boo and Goku was sure the kids would beat Boo and nothing contradicts it as he tells Piccolo to not use the Rosat

And nothing confirmed it either, like I said. A prediction is only a prediction until it's proven true. My approach works fine and doesn't directly contradict anything.

The Daiz says Base Gotenks > SSJ2 Vegeta

He says no such thing. He died a long time before Gotenks or any Super Saiyan 2s were ever around. If you meant the "Daizenshuu," then I'm sure that if one of the books did say such a thing, I would know about it.

As I said before, if Gotenks is stronger, it's not by much.

He is leagues ahead of Goku

I don't get it... why do you create threads like this, asking about other people's opinions, if all you're going to do is keep telling people they're wrong?

I have already told you how it confirms it. Piccolo only asking for Gotenks's speed while saying his power is incredible meaning it's enough. Piccolo claiming that Gotenks has 1 minute to stay fused proves the time was the only default, Piccolo had no troubles allowing Gotenks fight Fat Boo

Goku is sure Gotenks can win and it's never denied. My evidence > your lack of evidence

The Daizenshuu says Gotenks surpassed Vegeta and the others next to his base pic meaning Base Gotenks (Post) > Vegeta and the others > Base Gotenks (Pre) > Vegeta

I asked how many times is Gotenks stronger and not if he is much stronger

Kamiccolo: Goku told Piccolo to not use the Rosat and SSJ Gotenks was SSJ3 tier as he was felt from the Kaioshin planet, It's stated and never contradicted but supported that SSJ Gotenks > Fat Boo

[Kamiccolo9]

The whole "sensing from Kaioshin's planet" is extremely inconsistent, and should not be used in any debate. SSJ3 Goku grabbed everyone's attention, while Gohan powering up wasn't felt by anyone except Buu. No one reacted when SSJ3 Gotenks emerged from the ROSAT. Inconsistent.

And when did Goku tell them not to use the ROSAT?

It wasn't stated, it was guessed.

[Kaboom]

I have already told you how it confirms it.

No, you haven't.

When you can miraculously provide some mysterious new line of dialogue from the manga where someone directly says that Gotenks is stronger than Boo (not "might be" or "should be," but "is"), or an entire chapter forgotten by time where Gotenks actually fights Boo and wins... THEN it will be "confirmed."

Until then, quit just telling people they can't see it differently.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Piccolo: "Will you use the room of spirit and time?"
Goku: "No. They can only use it for two days in their whole lives, right? They might need it later. I'm sure they're gonna learn this quick."

This is right before he starts showing them the fusion dance.

And yeah, Super Saiyan Gotenks is implied to be stronger by Goku, which isn't the same as confirmed.

[Kamiccolo9]

Piccolo: "Will you use the room of spirit and time?"
Goku: "No. They can only use it for two days in their whole lives, right? They might need it later. I'm sure they're gonna learn this quick."

This is right before he starts showing them the fusion dance.

And yeah, Super Saiyan Gotenks is implied to be stronger by Goku, which isn't the same as confirmed.

Oh, ok. Coolness.

[Axiom]

Didn't SSJ Goku one shot Aka while SSJ Gotenks attack was brushed off? No matter what, we know that Pre Gotenks isn't on Goku's level, and post Gotenks isn't explicitly stated to be stronger, furthermore, SSJ3 Goku losing to Beers was a huge enough surprise that no one was thought to be able to beat him.

[PerfectFreeza]

Gotenks never went SSJ3 for a reason in BOG and Gohan could have possibly been just SSJ, but recolored.
Gotenks was already pounding Aka around in Base though.