Super Saiyan 4 Pants

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hair is part of their bodies. Clothes are not .

[Blade]

Hair is part of their bodies. Clothes are not .

In the context of the transformation it's still an instantaneous generation of matter.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hair is part of their bodies. Clothes are not .

In the context of the transformation it's still an instantaneous generation of matter.

, It's a transformation dude. You don't just manifest something that isn't natural. Clothes are man made, hair is not.

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku has a ki seamstress.

[mister yummy]

I always liked the explaination that SSj4 utilizes a bit of magic to pull off, and therefore has some magical abilities, such as magically creating pants in the style of the wearer's choice. Remember, Vegita had leather pants, while Goku had pints like from his gis.

[Kamiccolo9]

I always liked the explaination that SSj4 utilizes a bit of magic to pull off, and therefore has some magical abilities, such as magically creating pants in the style of the wearer's choice. Remember, Vegita had leather pants, while Goku had pints like from his gis.

Why would SSJ4 involve magic? Goku, I can kiiiiiinda see maybe having some magic influence due to Old Kaioshin being involved , but Vegeta got the transformation by being pumped with Bruits waves by a machine made by his wife, who is in no way magical.

[hleV]

I find it interesting how you attempted to compare two absolutely unrelated and incomparable things. Hair growth is a natural thing.

Instantaneous growth of dramatic, flowing golden locks of hair that can then revert back to normal at a person's will is not natural.

Not to humans.

Hair is still a part of a Saiyan's body. If it can grow and change color for humans, so can it for Saiyans, even if at extreme rates.

[Blade]

, It's a transformation dude. You don't just manifest something that isn't natural.

There's nothing natural about a Super Saiyan transformation. The hair growth is still a manifestation of matter, and within the context it's no more absurd than an article of clothing being manifested.

I mean, come on, we're talking about a piece of fiction where guys can transform into giant apes, fly around and fire destructive beams out of their hands - where exactly do you draw the line between that which is absurd and that which isn't? I struggle to understand how you can suspend your disbelief for so many of the fictitious elements of Dragonball yet you find issue with a pair of pants.

Let's dissect this, shall we? Goku's transformation into a Super Saiyan 4 was facilitated by his monkey-like tail being pulled out of his body and him transforming from a child into a giant, golden ape because he looked at the planet Earth whilst on another planet in close proximity to Earth. This planet somehow had a perfectly stable orbit and didn't effect Earth's orbit at all whilst also not being effected by Earth's gravity in the slightest (which is ridiculous as even the Moon causes the global tides.) The giant golden ape then transformed again into an adult human, covered in thick red hair - but here's where you draw the line - he was somehow wearing pants.

Are you serious?

Hair is still a part of a Saiyan's body. If it can grow and change color for humans, so can it for Saiyans, even if at extreme rates.

We're far beyond the rational laws of physics and nature here, we've reached the extent where real-world comparisons are frankly pointless, it's all complete fiction.

[Saiga]

Yes, because the pants come out of fucking nowhere, aren't an extension of his body like anything else, and are never even addressed. They're not at all comparable.

[Blade]

Yes, because the pants come out of fucking nowhere, aren't an extension of his body like anything else, and are never even addressed. They're not at all comparable.

Yeah, and because the Fusion Dance clothing has been totally explained and makes perfect sense.

[DHM211]

I find it interesting that most people don't have a problem with how Super Saiyan 3 manages to cause a temporary loss of eyebrows and a dramatic growth in hair, but they question how Super Saiyan 4 generates clothing.

I find it interesting how you attempted to compare two absolutely unrelated and incomparable things. Hair growth is a natural thing.

yea, but loss of eyebrows and having them replaced with bones is not natural.

[Saiga]

Yes, it has. It's the metamoran's clothing, and appears because it's a metamoran technique. That's more than Super Saiyan 4 got.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's the metamoran's clothing, and appears because it's a metamoran technique.

So, why doesn't Goku wear Kaio's clothes when he uses Kaio-ken?

[Saiga]

It's the metamoran's clothing, and appears because it's a metamoran technique.

So, why doesn't Goku wear Kaio's clothes when he uses Kaio-ken?

Because that's a different technique and a stupid question?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't see why a Metamoran technique should grant you Metamoran clothes. It's not like they were born with clothes & the ability to use Fusion. Fusion is a technique that everyone can do, it just that the Metamorans were the ones who happened to develop it. By your logic, if the Saiyans were the ones who had discovered it, then Gotenks should wear a Saiyan armor.

[Saiga]

I don't see why a Metamoran technique should grant you Metamoran clothes. It's not like they were born with clothes & the ability to use Fusion. Fusion is a technique that everyone can do, it just that the Metamorans were the ones who happened to develop it. By your logic, if the Saiyans were the ones who had discovered it, then Gotenks should wear a Saiyan armor.

Well, if fusion isn't natural, but developed like you suggest, then I really don't see why they wouldn't develop the technique in a way that leaves the fusion clothed.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But all the user has to do is... well, dance. How does that generate the clothes they want?

[hleV]

Yeah, and because the Fusion Dance clothing has been totally explained and makes perfect sense.

If a technique is able to fuse two beings into one, generating a much stronger being than just sum of its parts, its ability to generate new clothes and restore old ones isn't that weird, as we could just assume that Fusion has magic/ability/whatever properties. It's still not just a transformation.

I find it interesting that most people don't have a problem with how Super Saiyan 3 manages to cause a temporary loss of eyebrows and a dramatic growth in hair, but they question how Super Saiyan 4 generates clothing.

I find it interesting how you attempted to compare two absolutely unrelated and incomparable things. Hair growth is a natural thing.

yea, but loss of eyebrows and having them replaced with bones is not natural.

It's a transformation. Transformations tend to reshape bodies. There's absolutely no problem in that. All we need to know is that Saiyan physiology is different than that of humans, really.

We've seen how kid Goku's clothes get torn when he transforms into an Ozaru. That logic is perfect. SS4 Goku gets new clothes. In-universe, this can't be explained logically.

Normally Saiyans' hair don't grow, so they have to make up for it through transformations xD

But all the user has to do is... well, dance. How does that generate the clothes they want?

I guess Metamorians are somewhat magicians. How else would you "develop" a technique which can suddenly be used by anyone in the galaxy, so long as they know the dance?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But Fusion is not related to magic. Goku didn't have to pass any mystical power to Goten & Trunks, he just told them "just move like that, and you will merge!".

[hleV]

Your perception of magic is very limited, it appears.

The technique itself could've been created with magic. So that it would exist. So that anybody could use it.