Movie 3 Goku Kaioken X10

[Kakashi]

He is stated to be at 30,000 and Tullece was struggling against it

His said it's 30k and was STILL going up

Which is why he is just over 30,000

Goku and Tullece are below Reccome, Burter and Jeice

[TheGmGoken]

He is stated to be at 30,000 and Tullece was struggling against it

His said it's 30k and was STILL going up

Which is why he is just over 30,000

Goku and Tullece are below Reccome, Burter and Jeice

You said he was 30k. Not over 30k.

Okay...and?

[ZombieVito]

How could Goku use Kaioken X10 when he just had a power level of 30,000?

That's because he wasn't at 30,000. Remember Tullece did not have a problem taking on a 100,000 Ozaru Gohan. Tullece is at least in the 120K range.

He is stated to be at 30,000 and Tullece was struggling against it

Tullece is nowhere near Ape Gohan

First, Gohan was injured so he was weaker and second, Tullece used his attack which might be stronger

TheGmGoken, he would have said he can use a much higher Kaioken

This is conjucture

- How exactly was Gohan weakened? Even if he was, I can't see him being any less than 50%. That puts him at 50K.

- Turles said Goku's power was rising fast.

- Can Turles amp his attacks? He was pretty shocked to see Goku rising his ki, so it's doubtful. He has to be > Ozaru Gohan.

[TheGmGoken]

TheGmGoken, he would have said he can use a much higher Kaioken

How you would know? I'm pretty sure Goku would just say anything higher than x3.

[dbzfan7]

Well wouldn't it be risky for Goku to use 10x at a 30,000 power level. At 3,000,000 is where 10x is easy to use and is the limit according to D7. I take it as the limit that can be done without bodily harm.

[Strife1]

Goku at 8,000 could use KK4 which put a huge strain on his body.
You can have a huge power level of 150,000,000 and still be able to only use it to the 2nd or 3rd level.
My theory is that he trained himself, in this alternate universe where none of the Z-fighters died against Nappa and Vegeta, to be able to use the Kaioken to higher levels.
In the manga Goku pretty much jumped from 8,000+ to 3,000,000 in less than ten days through intense training. He went from only being able to use a multiplier of 4 to a multiplier of 20. If he trains his body to be able to withstand higher levels...he'll be able to attain higher levels. I believe that it makes sense for him to have KK10 at the time. And of course he wouldn't be able to say her could use kk10 before he reached 90,000 in the manga. He hadn't the chance to train himself for that.

[dbzfan7]

Goku at 8,000 could use KK4 which put a huge strain on his body.
You can have a huge power level of 150,000,000 and still be able to only use it to the 2nd or 3rd level.
My theory is that he trained himself, in this alternate universe where none of the Z-fighters died against Nappa and Vegeta, to be able to use the Kaioken to higher levels.
In the manga Goku pretty much jumped from 8,000+ to 3,000,000 in less than ten days through intense training. He went from only being able to use a multiplier of 4 to a multiplier of 20. If he trains his body to be able to withstand higher levels...he'll be able to attain higher levels. I believe that it makes sense for him to have KK10 at the time. And of course he wouldn't be able to say her could use kk10 before he reached 90,000 in the manga. He hadn't the chance to train himself for that.

Goku was perfectly fine using times 10 on Namek. If KKX4 would put on the same strain it did in the Saiyan saga, then Goku's body would have exploded at 10x/20x. The stronger the body the higher level of Kaio-Ken you can use. at 30,000 I say he woul use maybe x3 or x4 normally. Times 10 should still be a big strain at this point.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, we really don't know at what point Goku became strong enough to pull off a Kaio-Ken x10 without exploding. Just that it was somewhere between the 8000 he had against Vegeta and the 90,000 he premiered on Namek. Could very well have been right around the 30,000-40,000 range he's in during Movie 3.

Heck, it could be pushing past his current safe limits, the same way a x4 was technically too much for him on Earth, and x20 was too much on Namek. The way he uses it in the movie does seem like a desperate measure, after all.

[dbzfan7]

Yeah, we really don't know at what point Goku became strong enough to pull off a Kaio-Ken x10 without exploding. Just that it was somewhere between the 8000 he had against Vegeta and the 90,000 he premiered on Namek. Could very well have been right around the 30,000-40,000 range he's in during Movie 3.

Heck, it could be pushing past his current safe limits, the same way a x4 was technically too much for him on Earth, and x20 was too much on Namek. The way he uses it in the movie does seem like a desperate measure, after all.

In the movie he didn't look like he was straining himself. I really don't put too much thought into the movies as they always have weird logic.

[Darkprince410]

Yeah, we really don't know at what point Goku became strong enough to pull off a Kaio-Ken x10 without exploding. Just that it was somewhere between the 8000 he had against Vegeta and the 90,000 he premiered on Namek. Could very well have been right around the 30,000-40,000 range he's in during Movie 3.

Heck, it could be pushing past his current safe limits, the same way a x4 was technically too much for him on Earth, and x20 was too much on Namek. The way he uses it in the movie does seem like a desperate measure, after all.

In the movie he didn't look like he was straining himself. I really don't put too much thought into the movies as they always have weird logic.

Well, he had already taken a beating from Tullece, and within a few seconds of coming out of Kaiou-ken, Tullece blasts him relentlessly and leaves him battered. There wasn't any real period of time following him using the Kaiou-ken 10x to where we could say that he was hurting from any strain from the technique.

[Kakashi]

He is stated to be at 30,000 and Tullece was struggling against it

His said it's 30k and was STILL going up

How much though?

[Super Vegetto]

How could Goku use Kaioken X10 when he just had a power level of 30,000?

In the Manga, Goku says he can take on Kaioken 10X when he finished his training and was at 90,000 and M3 was before Goku used 100G

It's also noted that Goku had his GO symbol which he used when he arrived on Namek and M3 was revealed just after Krillin got his power up from Saichouru but I guess it's probably because M3 is based on the Namek Arc

To me, it makes more sense if Goku would of used Kaioken X8 but I guess they used Kaioken X10 because they wanted Tullece to be in par with Freeza

What do you think?

Toei doesn't care how strong Goku neads to be for something...

[Hellspawn28]

The movies take place in a AU, so Movie 3 Goku is likely weaker then he was on Namek since he most likely never travel to Namek.

[coola]

When Goku finished his training on Namek, he said "With such strong body, i can easily handle Kaioken x10" premiere of that chapter was on 23 April 1990, while Movie premiere was on 7 July, so i guess they didn`t have time to redub it to, for example, Kaioken X5

[Kakashi]

When Goku finished his training on Namek, he said "With such strong body, i can easily handle Kaioken x10" premiere of that chapter was on 23 April 1990, while Movie premiere was on 7 July, so i guess they didn`t have time to redub it to, for example, Kaioken X5

What? Goku with a power level of over 30,000 can easily use Kaioken times 7 or even times 8. Times 10 seems too much like when he used Kaioken times 4 vs Vegeta

[coola]

With is why i said it is too much, and that they should changed it

[Kakashi]

With is why i said it is too much, and that they should changed it

Why would the chapter where Goku says he can use Kaioken times even matter? Movies follow the Anime

[Darkprince410]

With is why i said it is too much, and that they should changed it

Why would the chapter where Goku says he can use Kaioken times even matter? Movies follow the Anime

Says who? Even though the movies incorporate filler from the anime into the movies (and vice versa), who is to say that the manga is ignored when creating the stories for the movies?

[dario03]

Is it ever said that power is the only factor when it comes to Kaio Ken? I'm sure a higher power level helps but KK is a technique so maybe Goku just mastered the technique better so it doesn't put as much strain on the body.

[Hellspawn28]

When Goku finished his training on Namek, he said "With such strong body, i can easily handle Kaioken x10" premiere of that chapter was on 23 April 1990, while Movie premiere was on 7 July, so i guess they didn`t have time to redub it to, for example, Kaioken X5

Movie 3 came out when Vegeta was healing after his fight with Zarbon. I remember Goku was still in the hospital in the anime at the time when the movie came out. The DBZ movies are tend to sent in a AU, so AU Goku can be weaker or stronger then his anime/manga counter part.