Son Goku vs Sun Wukong

[KentalSSJ6]

Sun Wukong like transformation you say?

[OmegaRockman]

I actually really like that design, dude. Props!

[Fizzer]

It would probably look better with black, red, or golden hair, (I know Sun Wukong is generally seen as brown but the inspiration would still be clear), but that is a pretty awesome design. I now really wish SSJ4 had been more like that.

[Dr. Machismo]

That picture doesn't look like Sun Wukong enough. Too muscular, doesn't have a monkeylike nose and the hair is too spiky. Just looks like SS4 all over again.

[Payne222]

One is Japanese and the other is Chinese.

[RandomGuy96]

But if TOEI are writing the fight...

Base Goku one-shots, of course. Then they throw a hissy fit when people point out that it shouldn't have happened.

[Kamiccolo9]

But if TOEI are writing the fight...

Base Goku one-shots, of course. Then they throw a hissy fit when people point out that it shouldn't have happened.

Has Toei ever responded to such an accusation before?

[RandomGuy96]

Nah, that was a joke. Mostly I was referring to how a lot of fans complain about it on the internet and crap but no one at Toei seems to care, continually portraying Goku as the strongest and trying to stamp out anything that can be stronger than him (they took away Gohan's Ultimate form and Gotenks' SS3 form in both GT and BOG).

[Kamiccolo9]

Oh, that sucks. That would have been funny.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Wouldn't SSj4 Goku be able to defeat Sun Wukong, anyway?

[TheGmGoken]

Wouldn't SSj4 Goku be able to defeat Sun Wukong, anyway?

He can turn all his hairs into any material in the universe.

Survived the hottest fire in the universe for 49 days.

Beat the entire army of heaven.

Is completely immortal. No matter what, you can't hurt him.

Defeated all the gods, aside from Buddha (Buddha is omnipotent)

Defeated the Jade Emperor (Who could rearrange the Milky Way)

His pole (His version of the power pole), a shape-shifting stave of metal which was reported to weigh more than 13,000 pounds.

Can freeze people who aren't powerful.

Teleportation (Sort of like instant transmission)

There's many more after that, but that's the gist of it.

Can SSJ4 Goku beat those feats?

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Wouldn't SSj4 Goku be able to defeat Sun Wukong, anyway?

He can turn all his hairs into any material in the universe.

Survived the hottest fire in the universe for 49 days.

Beat the entire army of heaven.

Is completely immortal. No matter what, you can't hurt him.

Defeated all the gods, aside from Buddha (Buddha is omnipotent)

Defeated the Jade Emperor (Who could rearrange the Milky Way)

His pole (His version of the power pole), a shape-shifting stave of metal which was reported to weigh more than 13,000 pounds.

Can freeze people who aren't powerful.

Teleportation (Sort of like instant transmission)

There's many more after that, but that's the gist of it.

Can SSJ4 Goku beat those feats?

SSj4 Goku can:

1. Withstand the heat of the sun

2. Perform Instantaneous Movement

3. Lift a 100 ton building

4. Easily beat a large opponent (Oozaru-Baby)

He can do all other things if he wants to. If Goku was in Sun Wukong's universe, he could manage just fine.

[TheGmGoken]

SSj4 Goku can:

1. Withstand the heat of the sun

2. Perform Instantaneous Movement

3. Lift a 100 ton building

4. Easily beat a large opponent (Oozaru-Baby)

He can do all other things if he wants to. If Goku was in Sun Wukong's universe, he could manage just fine.

The sun is not the hottest star and Sun Wukong was in the HOTTEST heat for 49 days. When did Goku go to the sun? Also I'm pretty sure a most Goku can last 3 hours on the sun

Defeated all the gods, aside from Buddha (Buddha is omnipotent) - Goku didn't do that. In fact he lost to a God.
Defeated the Jade Emperor (Who could rearrange the Milky Way) - Goku destroying a Galaxy at SSJ4 is debatable. But if he can't then he jobs to Sun Wukong.

4. Easily beat a large opponent (Oozaru-Baby) - He easily defeated Baby Giant form? Didn't he have a great deal of trouble to the point they BOTH got k.oed.

You know what they say. The original is always the best.

[RandomGuy96]

SS4 Goku can:

-Get cut by glass

-Be seen and tracked by normal humans

-Shit his pants at the MASSIVE POWER of... city busting.

-Get overpowered by ice.

-Have his x10 Kamehameha outperformed by a brick thrown by base Vegeta.

-Almost get killed by having the hand of a clock tower thrown at him.

-Struggle to lift a building

-Lose to someone who needed three full power charged Galick Guns to bust the Earth.

Cui would wreck this guy.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

SSj4 Goku can:

1. Withstand the heat of the sun

2. Perform Instantaneous Movement

3. Lift a 100 ton building

4. Easily beat a large opponent (Oozaru-Baby)

He can do all other things if he wants to. If Goku was in Sun Wukong's universe, he could manage just fine.

The sun is not the hottest star and Sun Wukong was in the HOTTEST heat for 49 days. When did Goku go to the sun? Also I'm pretty sure a most Goku can last 3 hours on the sun

Defeated all the gods, aside from Buddha (Buddha is omnipotent) - Goku didn't do that. In fact he lost to a God.
Defeated the Jade Emperor (Who could rearrange the Milky Way) - Goku destroying a Galaxy at SSJ4 is debatable. But if he can't then he jobs to Sun Wukong.

4. Easily beat a large opponent (Oozaru-Baby) - He easily defeated Baby Giant form? Didn't he have a great deal of trouble to the point they BOTH got k.oed.

You know what they say. The original is always the best.

He fought against 4-Star Dragon, who possesses the power of the sun. Goku stated that his heat powers won't be able to harm him any longer in his SSj4 form.

Goku was just dragging the battle and got ko'ed. After his energy was revived, he got his job done pretty quickly.

SSj God is not SSj4. They are in a whole different level. SSj4 is the highest level Goku attained. I'm pretty sure SSj4 could defeat God of Destruction.

As for gods, Goku isn't in Sun Wukong's world, so he can't go to the heavens to defeat them.

[Kamiccolo9]

Is there something about Buddha that I'm unaware of? Since when is Buddha omnipotent?

[TheGmGoken]

He fought against 4-Star Dragon, who possesses the power of the sun. Goku stated that his heat powers won't be able to harm him any longer in his SSj4 form.

But the sun isn't the hottest thing in the universe. Hell a lighting bolt is hotter.

Goku was just dragging the battle and got ko'ed. After his energy was revived, he got his job done pretty quickly.

Didn't they donate him energy like they do all the time in DBGT

SSj God is not SSj4. They are in a whole different level. SSj4 is the highest level Goku attained. I'm pretty sure SSj4 could defeat God of Destruction.

A DBGT guidebook that came out around Shenron Arc said Super Vegetto > SSJ4 Goku. Birsu is confirmed to be stronger than Super Vegetto.

Is there something about Buddha that I'm unaware of? Since when is Buddha omnipotent?

Depends on the source and bible. Honestly some say he's not some say he is.

The Buddha is not omnipotent (all-powerful) like the Christian-Judeo-Islamic "God".

the Buddha he is omnipotent since he can do everything

The spiritual body of the Buddha is the Tathagata, which is omniscent, omnipresent and omnipotent.

the Buddha cannot do something that is impossible. apart from that he is omnipotent since he can do everything.

[MDSTSSJ]

SS4 Goku can:

-Get cut by glass

-Be seen and tracked by normal humans

-Get overpowered by ice.

-Have his x10 Kamehameha outperformed by a brick thrown by base Vegeta.

-Almost get killed by having the hand of a clock tower thrown at him.

-Struggle to lift a building

-Lose to someone who needed three full power charged Galick Guns to bust the Earth.

Those are obvious errors from TOEI. TOEI shit on GT in general. SSJ4 transformation should have been much more powerful and more incredible.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

A DBGT guidebook that came out around Shenron Arc said Super Vegetto > SSJ4 Goku. Birsu is confirmed to be stronger than Super Vegetto.

Care to collaborate on that one? Nothing is stated that Vegetto is weaker than him. And I'd appreciate it if you could quote a DBGT guidebook that says about Vegeto being stronger than SSj4 Goku.

[TheGmGoken]

SS4 Goku can:

-Get cut by glass

-Be seen and tracked by normal humans

-Get overpowered by ice.

-Have his x10 Kamehameha outperformed by a brick thrown by base Vegeta.

-Almost get killed by having the hand of a clock tower thrown at him.

-Struggle to lift a building

-Lose to someone who needed three full power charged Galick Guns to bust the Earth.

Those are obvious errors from TOEI. TOEI shit on GT in general. SSJ4 transformation should have been much more powerful and more incredible.

I honestly starting to think Toei didn't read the manga and only skimmed through it. Like they had all the pages but didn't read them. The script writer read the manga but not Toei themselves.

A DBGT guidebook that came out around Shenron Arc said Super Vegetto > SSJ4 Goku. Birsu is confirmed to be stronger than Super Vegetto.

Care to collaborate on that one? Nothing is stated that Vegetto is weaker than him. And I'd appreciate it if you could quote a DBGT guidebook that says about Vegeto being stronger than SSj4 Goku.

How about the statement of Birsu being the strongest thing in DBZ HISTORY and in the movie Whis > Birsu.

DBGT Quote:

Super Vegetto is perhaps stronger than SSJ4 Goku.

So even if SSJ1 isn't stronger that SSJ4 which the GT statement implies he is about equal or slightly stronger Vegetoo has SSJ2 and SSJ3,