How much stronger is Ultimate Gohan than SSJ3 Goku?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I started this thread so I can put rules up if need be. I'm not asking for the Goku > Gohan argument, I'm asking how much stronger Gohan is from the Gohan > Goku argument perspective. I'd suggest being less rude here. I don't want VegettoEX closing this thread because of a nerd raging argument.

[Axiom]

I started this thread so I can put rules up if need be. I'm not asking for the Goku > Gohan argument, I'm asking how much stronger Gohan is from the Gohan > Goku argument perspective. I'd suggest being less rude here. I don't want VegettoEX closing this thread because of a nerd raging argument.

Well then, you probably shouldn't try to micro manage me. I answered you question, why are you still complaining and attempting to moderate me?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I started this thread so I can put rules up if need be. I'm not asking for the Goku > Gohan argument, I'm asking how much stronger Gohan is from the Gohan > Goku argument perspective. I'd suggest being less rude here. I don't want VegettoEX closing this thread because of a nerd raging argument.

Well then, you probably shouldn't try to micro manage me. I answered you question, why are you still complaining and attempting to moderate me?

I'm merely asking you not to participate if you believe Goku is stronger. I don't believe he is, so posting your thoughts here doesn't answer the question at hand which is how much stronger Gohan is.

[Axiom]

I started this thread so I can put rules up if need be. I'm not asking for the Goku > Gohan argument, I'm asking how much stronger Gohan is from the Gohan > Goku argument perspective. I'd suggest being less rude here. I don't want VegettoEX closing this thread because of a nerd raging argument.

Well then, you probably shouldn't try to micro manage me. I answered you question, why are you still complaining and attempting to moderate me?

I'm merely asking you not to participate if you believe Goku is stronger. I don't believe he is, so posting your thoughts here doesn't answer the question at hand which is how much stronger Gohan is.

And you're still going on and on. I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. Enough, seriously.

" Even if by some strange twisted logic that I don't personally subscribe too, it can't be much."

I don't know how much more clear than that I can get.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Fair enough, I didn't read that part. I, however, don't see how an idea almost everyone subscribes to is somehow twisted.

[RandomGuy96]

using SEG multipliers for SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3, at minimum at least a thousand times weaker, so Freeza vs Captain Ginyu type gap at minimum.


SSJ3 Goku : 1
SSJ Gotenks [pre RoSaT] : 1.25
base Gotenks [post RoSaT] : 2.5
SSJ Gotenks [post RoSaT] : 125
SSJ3 Gotenks : 1,000
Ultimate Gohan : 1,350

I personally feel the SSJ to SSJ2 boost is a lot bigger than 2x though.

, SSJ3 Gotenks isn't a THOUSAND times stronger. That's just waaaaaay too much no matter how you slice it.

I don't see the difference between ten times stronger and a thousand time stronger here. Either way, they're ridiculously powerful and Goku is completely irrelevant.

[TheMightyOzaru]

True, but the whole Post-ROSAT base Gotenks > Pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks is just silly to me .

[Axiom]

Fair enough, I didn't read that part. I, however, don't see how an idea almost everyone subscribes to is somehow twisted.

Now you're purposely baiting me in here with this comment. I think you and everyone else who believes what you do are wrong. WRONG.

But this isn't about that, it's about how big an imaginary gap between imaginary characters are. I gave you an answer, now move on.

[TheGmGoken]

True, but the whole Post-ROSAT base Gotenks > Pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks is just silly to me .

I find it weird because Gotenks wasn't even there for a long time. Maybe if he was there for a day(1 year ROSAT time) it would make sense.

now move on.

He did...he said fair enough.

[RandomGuy96]

True, but the whole Post-ROSAT base Gotenks > Pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks is just silly to me .

Piccolo said that a tiny gain for Goten or Trunks would equal a tremendous gain for Gotenks, so it's not that implausible.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Fair enough, I didn't read that part. I, however, don't see how an idea almost everyone subscribes to is somehow twisted.

Now you're purposely baiting me in here with this comment. I think you and everyone else who believes what you do are wrong. WRONG.

But this isn't about that, it's about how big an imaginary gap between imaginary characters are. I gave you an answer, now move on.

I'm not baiting you, I just think it's odd that you think everyone else is somehow wrong. If you think Goku is stronger, so be it.

[Axiom]

Fair enough, I didn't read that part. I, however, don't see how an idea almost everyone subscribes to is somehow twisted.

Now you're purposely baiting me in here with this comment. I think you and everyone else who believes what you do are wrong. WRONG.

But this isn't about that, it's about how big an imaginary gap between imaginary characters are. I gave you an answer, now move on.

I'm not baiting you, I just think it's odd that you think everyone else is somehow wrong. If you think Goku is stronger, so be it.

I'm always right. ALWAYS. I don't care what you or anyone believes, I can fully function and think for myself, I've already done so for over 20 years. So forgive me if I don't really give a damn about what some other guys behind a computer screen tells me what I should think and believe. If you want to debate my opinion and why I'm an expert on it, start another thread. Keep this one on topic, meaning Gohan and Goku, NOT Axiom.

Fusion
First Appearance: Chapter 469
Category: Special
People: Trunks & Goten

Special Characteristics: The specialty technique of the people of Planet Metamor. Goku learned this art from some people from Planet Metamor who he met in the afterlife. It is an art where two humans can merge together only if their power and body size are very close, and through merging the two users give birth to a separate person who possesses power and techniques far surpassing what they had on their own.

When merging, the two users must perform the Fusion pose symmetrically; this pose if very embarrassing for two adults to perform. In the story, Trunks and Goten perform this Fusion, but they fail two times because their pose is slightly wrong. When they fail at this technique, it greatly changes the body type of the resulting person, making them fat or thin, and rather than strengthening the two users, it makes them weaker.

The name after merging becomes a combination of the two users’ respective names, and in Trunks and Goten’s case, they ended up named Gotenks. Furthermore, after merging, their clothes are those of the citizens of Planet Metamor. (Daizenshuu 2, p.118/Daizenshuu 4, p.116)

Anime
People: Son Goku & Vegeta
Special Characteristics: A Fusion between Goku and Vegeta came to fruition only in the movie “The Rebirth of Fusion!!~”. Vegeta hated the idea of performing Fusion with his rival, Goku. But cornered by the evil enemy Janenba, he ends up reluctantly performing Fusion with Goku. However, they fail once. (Daizenshuu 6, p.142)

It can't be a large gap.

[RandomGuy96]

Now here's something interesting: that scene in the BOG, where Vegeta got freaked out about Beers. How did it go? I've heard varying descriptions. Which was it?

He heard that Beers defeated Goku. He's not too worried until he's told that Beers defeated him in only two blows, then he starts freaking out.

He freaks out the minute he hears Beers has defeated Goku, as he's told immediately how it happened.

Because the second implies that he's just going crazy over the legend of the God of Destruction; he's the strongest by legend, so he doesn't have to see a lot of proof to know that. Or he's just freaking out because Gohan can't poke Goku twice and incapacitate him.

The first version, on the other hand, would imply that Gohan can beat Goku, but just can't finger flick him / two shot him.

Also, as Hitiro points out, the Spirit Bomb sequence kind of implies that Pure Buu > 1/3 of Gohan's ki, but I question that sequence for many, many reasons.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I'm always right. ALWAYS.

I really hope you're joking. I've been invested in this series longer than you, I'm sure, and I can admit I still have a lot to learn. Seriously, why are you even here if you don't seek to gain knowledge from your fellow forum members?

[Kaboom]

Let's just drop it now, okay?

The first version, on the other hand, would imply that Gohan can beat Goku, but just can't finger flick him / two shot him.

That's what I subscribe to. Even though Gotenks or Gohan could beat Goku rather easily, neither of them are so much stronger that they could do it in just two light blows, much less finger-flicks.

[RandomGuy96]

Let's just drop it now, okay?

The first version, on the other hand, would imply that Gohan can beat Goku, but just can't finger flick him / two shot him.

That's what I subscribe to. Even though Gotenks or Gohan could beat Goku rather easily, neither of them are so much stronger that they could do it in just two light blows, much less finger-flicks.

Did they specifically mention finger flicks, or did they just say it was two blows? Because, even by your POV, Gohan and Gotenks should be able to one-shot him.

[MDSTSSJ]

SSJ2 is 2 times stronger than SSJ.

SSJ3 is 4 times stronger than SSJ2.

How many times is FPSSJ stronger than normal SSJ? I don´t know but is a big difference.

Yi Xing Long is 10 times stronger than normal SSJ4 Goku.

SSJ4 Goku Beyond Limits is at least 12 times stronger than Yi Xing Long.

Super Yi Xing Long ( fused with 6 Dragons ) is 10 times stronger than SSJ4 Kakarotto Beyond Limits.

Almost are stated numbers.

In the Majin Boo Era, I have Ultimate Gohan 5 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. I have Ultimate Gohan 1 time stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. I have SSJ3 Gotenks 4 times stronger than SSJ3 Kakarotto.

In the BoG´s time, I have Ultimate Gohan 2 times stronger than SSJ3 Kakarotto or on par with SSJ3 Goku but don´t know yet. If Gohan was stronger in that time, he would have had more relevance. I have to see the complete movie first.

In the EoZ, I have SSJ3 Goku perhaps even stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

Post Oob training I have SSJ3 Kakarotto at least 10 times stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

[Kaboom]

Did they specifically mention finger flicks, or did they just say it was two blows? Because, even by your POV, Gohan and Gotenks should be able to one-shot him.

No, all that was said was "two blows," according to the site's synopsis. But I'm not strict about all that "specific gaps to guarantee defeat in X blows" junk. Goku's a resilient S.O.B. and wouldn't go down so easily.

[TheGmGoken]

Did they specifically mention finger flicks, or did they just say it was two blows? Because, even by your POV, Gohan and Gotenks should be able to one-shot him.

No, all that was said was "two blows," according to the site's synopsis. But I'm not strict about all that "specific gaps to guarantee defeat in X blows" junk. Goku's a resilient S.O.B. and wouldn't go down so easily.

That is the most accurate thing said. I think Ki wise gotenks and Gohan and 1 shot Goku. In terms of punching Goku. I say at most it'll take a full blown combo similar to Metor Combination

[RandomGuy96]

I disagree. I find it hard to believe that Vegeta wouldn't think that someone twice as strong as Goku couldn't one-shot him.