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by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:39 pm
Did Goku use x100, I don't remember that. Also, Slug was defeated by the Genkidama.
A guidebook of Lord Slug proves he used Kaioken x100 and I know how Slug was killed. I said he was beaten. There is a difference. With a Kaiokenx100 Goku had Slug beat.
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by ABED » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:00 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Did Goku use x100, I don't remember that. Also, Slug was defeated by the Genkidama.
A guidebook of Lord Slug proves he used Kaioken x100 and I know how Slug was killed. I said he was beaten. There is a difference. With a Kaiokenx100 Goku had Slug beat.
I can't read Japanese. Are you sure it doesn't say x10?
I know there's a difference but you could have been imprecise with your choice of words for all I knew.
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:05 pm
I can't read Japanese. Are you sure it doesn't say x10?
Cause you know. EVERYONE has said Kaioken was 100x in this movie. Even on other forums. Even the Japanese people.
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by Stark the lone wolf » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:06 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:ABED wrote:I doubt Slug is implied to be Freeza's level, at least not his full power.
He's not "implied" to be anything, he's just stated to be stronger than Freeza and Super Saiyan Goku.
He is stated to be stronger than 2nd form frieza, remember that everyone though at first that frieza 2nd form was his real form and the movie was released before frieza 3rd form made his debut which means slug was compared with 2nd form frieza, not his final form, seriously How can they be talking about his final form if that form didn't existed by that time?
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:10 pm
Stark the lone wolf wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:ABED wrote:I doubt Slug is implied to be Freeza's level, at least not his full power.
He's not "implied" to be anything, he's just stated to be stronger than Freeza and Super Saiyan Goku.
He is stated to be stronger than 2nd form Freeza, remember that everyone though at first that Freeza 2nd form was his real form and the movie was released before Freeza 3rd form made his debut which means slug was compared with 2nd form Freeza, not his final form, seriously How can they be talking about his final form if that form didn't existed by that time?
OKay Lord SLUG Giant(True power) is stronger than Giji SSJ Goku(Aka False SSJ). Let's say since it's no full SSJ it's 25x hence the false in its name. 1,000,000 x 25 = 25,000,000. Then Goku needed a Kaioken x100 to beat him and he lived through that(Injured but still fighting with a hole in his chest) so Let's say 90x is needed to be at least equal to him. That's 225,000,000. Stronger than Goku SSJ and Freeza.
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by ABED » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:11 pm
Also, Goku at that point had at most used Kaio-ken x20.
Most readings have Goku at 3 million when fighting Freeza.
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:13 pm
ABED wrote:Also, Goku at that point had at most used Kaio-ken x20.
Most readings have Goku at 3 million when fighting Freeza.
And............................... your point is?
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by ABED » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:14 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:ABED wrote:Also, Goku at that point had at most used Kaio-ken x20.
Most readings have Goku at 3 million when fighting Freeza.
And............................... your point is?
where did your 1 million come from? Where you just throwing out a number to show the math?
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:15 pm
ABED wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:ABED wrote:Also, Goku at that point had at most used Kaio-ken x20.
Most readings have Goku at 3 million when fighting Freeza.
And............................... your point is?
where did your 1 million come from? Where you just throwing out a number to show the math?
Umm. FREEZA
He is stated to be stronger than 2nd form Freeza
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:15 pm
Herms has already translated it (can't find it though), and he said that it was Kaio-ken x100.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by ABED » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:18 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Herms has already translated it (can't find it though), and he said that it was Kaio-ken x100.
Fair enough but that seems like wonky DBZ movie logic.
Umm. FREEZA
I see where you got the number, but I'm still not clear on the train of thought. I'm not trying to be contentious, I'd genuinely like to know.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:19 pm
ABED wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Herms has already translated it (can't find it though), and he said that it was Kaio-ken x100.
Fair enough but that seems like wonky DBZ movie logic.
That's Toei for ya.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:23 pm
I see where you got the number, but I'm still not clear on the train of thought. I'm not trying to be contentious, I'd genuinely like to know.
1,000,000. Lord SLug is stronger than this. But I rounded it. Giji IMO is 25x since it's like a pre SSJ. Then I have Giant Slug 90x out of the Kaioken x100. Thus stronger than Freeeza
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by ABED » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:25 pm
Did you choose Freeza's 2nd form battle power because that's around the time the movie was produced?
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by Ringworm128 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:26 pm
Stronger then Freeza? Let's not go nuts. I place him around the same level as Ginyu.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:27 pm
ringworm128 wrote:Stronger then Freeza? Let's not go nuts.
Kaio said that Slug was stronger than Freeza.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:28 pm
ABED wrote:Did you choose Freeza's 2nd form battle power because that's around the time the movie was produced?
Yes. Since most likely they was working with the movie before the anime got up to the Freeza vs Piccolo fight. I'll say(Because of filler) It was starting to be made/in productions when Krillin got impaled(Manga)and wasn't finish till the anime got to Freeza vs Piccolo
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by Saiga » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:56 am
I don't have a separate multiplier for "false Super Saiyan" since it was originally just Super Saiyan, and I have Goku being at 3,000,000 for the movie due to Slug being stronger than Freeza.
So,
Goku - 3,000,000
Super Saiyan - 150,000,000
Kaio-ken x100 - 300,000,000
Slug's first form is stronger than Goku and weaker than Super Saiyan Goku, but I can't remember how he performed against both so I'm not sure. Given that his giant form was stated to be stronger than a Super Saiyan and it took a Kaio-ken x100 to beat him, I'd just put him at 225,000,000 between the two.
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by Kakashi » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:17 am
Lol guys, M4 Goku is the one who fought Ginyu and Giant Slug is at most stronger than 3rd form Frieza
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by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:06 pm
Kakashi wrote:Lol guys, M4 Goku is the one who fought Ginyu and Giant Slug is at most stronger than 3rd form Freeza
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