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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:56 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I like both endings. THe original one has that it's over feel(Kinto'un).
The original doesn't have Kinto'un.
You're correct. Thinking of the anime
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:58 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I like both endings. THe original one has that it's over feel(Kinto'un).
The original doesn't have Kinto'un.
You're correct. Thinking of the anime
The anime didn't have it either...
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:59 pm

I think that was a pointless bonus to the manga, but Vegeta shouldn't be over his rivalry with Goku. He should just be more calm and not as obsessed about it. He's a Saiyan; it's his nature.
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:01 pm

The anime didn't have it either...
Damn I'm thinking of GT. My plots are all fucked up.
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:26 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Damn I'm thinking of GT.
It's not in GT either! :lol:
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:29 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Damn I'm thinking of GT.
It's not in GT either! :lol:
Now you have to be fucking me xD. I could have sworn at the end of GT he called the Kinuto'un
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:37 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Damn I'm thinking of GT.
It's not in GT either! :lol:
Now you have to be fucking me xD. I could have sworn at the end of GT he called the Kinuto'un
Oh that one. Yeah, you are right then. I thought that you thought that Oob had the Kinto'un in GT. :lol:
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by mAcChaos » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:37 pm

I laughed.

Vegeta is still a Saiyan and he still likes fighting. Before he wanted to surpass Goku because he thought he was a joke and it was a disgrace that he was losing to him. After he respects him though it's more like being excited to catch up to your friend.
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by Marco Polo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:07 pm

Vegeta's rivalry is fine and all, but there's no reason it should be the last scene in the entire series. Put that shit before the ending.
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:24 pm

I disagree. That parting remark of Vegeta is the best.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:42 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I disagree. That parting remark of Vegeta is the best.
Not trying to be rude. Maybe you're bias cause Vegeta is your favorite character lol. But to be honest both endings are good in different ways
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by mAcChaos » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:14 pm

Well, it is a good way to end it because it shows after everything that's happened, some things never change, and the spirit to get stronger will continue.
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:33 pm

What if the ending was Kibito Kai telling Old Kai "Majin Buu has returned" after sensing Uub's power and Old Kai screams "WHAT?!". That'd be a nice gag
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by Son_Gohan » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:26 pm

Kid Buu wrote:In the new ending, Vegeta says something along the lines of "Hmph. I'll definitely beat you one day, Kakarot".

What do you think of this, does it regress his #1 speech in the Kid Buu speech? Or do you just view this as Vegeta always being Goku's rival, even if he admitted he was inferior?
It doesn't change anything, in my opinion. Goku will always be superior to Vegeta in terms of power, something he has already accepted; which is why you'll notice he no longer professes to surpass him. He doesn't need SSj3 in order to best him in battle, especially in a Tenkaichi Budokai setting.
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Re: Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:29 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I disagree. That parting remark of Vegeta is the best.
Not trying to be rude. Maybe you're bias cause Vegeta is your favorite character lol. But to be honest both endings are good in different ways
It's classic Vegeta. This in no way hurts or invalidates Vegeta's speech during Goku's fight with Buu, It's in character and it's great. Yeah, I'm sure the Vegeta fanboy in me plays a part in my liking of the ending, but it's certainly not a bad one.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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