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Attitudefan wrote:I honestly don't see how he doesn't fit. I mean, he nails it here
Hmm...I dunno. That's a lot better than the other Boo arc clips I've heard of his work, but it's still a bit too...raspy, I guess? A bit too much rasp for my liking.
The fact that he's able to tone it down that much but still keep it in the same vein of the voice that he started off with though, does give me even greater confidence that he can probably do even better nowadays though.
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I love that rasp he gives Vegeta. He sounds proud, egotistical, even a little regal. Yet, he has that rasp that defines his toughness of many battles and taking his body to the limit. It is perfect for a dub.
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I dunno, there's just something about the particular kind of rasp used there that I'm not fond of I guess. It must be something, since Sabat's Vegeta admittedly has a rasp to it as well, even now.
But again, not saying I hate it or anything, and you're welcome to your opinion obviously. He's just not my own particular preferred voice.
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I've never liked Brian Drummond. I don't see what's so great about him. His voice on Vegeta is incredibly unnatural. I can hear Sabat's and Horikawa's voice leaving the mouth of Vegeta, but Drummond? Not a chance.
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Chris Sabat's voice since 2007 is so perfect for Vegeta that I have a hard time imagining that the person playing him in the booth is anyone but Vegeta himself.
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Yeah, clearly Horikawa would be my pick, but he's definitely suffered the ravages of age, vocally, more than pretty much anyone else from the original cast that's still around. Well, the ravages of age and smoking. But he can still deliver when he really needs to.
English voice-wise, between Drummond and Sabat, the gap has mostly closed. If you asked me before Kai, the answer was Drummond, though he wasn't perfect. Right now, it's about even. What I like about Drummond's Vegeta is the pointed way he delivers his line, like jabbing the other characters with his words. It comes across as him being so hostile and at the same time extremely arrogant, like he believes his words themselves are weapons. Sabat's Vegeta always felt like a hollow echo of Drummond's until around the redub of the first two "seasons" of DBZ where it started to show promise. But in Kai, he really brings out his own flavor of Vegeta's cocky overconfidence. Drummond's a bit too on the nose sometimes, and Sabat is still iffy here and there, so they're largely about the same in quality. Sabat grew the most of the English VAs, but then, he had the most growing to do.
Drummond's clearly the better VA overall, but Sabat has mostly caught up to him as Vegeta. It just took over a decade.
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penguintruth wrote:
Drummond's clearly the better VA overall, but Sabat has mostly caught up to him as Vegeta. It just took over a decade.
I would't say it took him a decade due to video games coming out every year. But IMO Sbat got much better than Drummond around Cyborg arc. He got extremely better in the Boo Arc. To me the gap was always wide between the two
Too be honest I don't like Brain Drummond that much. Sure early on he was pretty cool and had a beastly yell with Vegetto, but I just don't like his voice at all.
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
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An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Too be honest I don't like Brain Drummond that much. Sure early on he was pretty cool and had a beastly yell with Vegetto, but I just don't like his voice at all.
dbzfan7 wrote:Too be honest I don't like Brain Drummond that much. Sure early on he was pretty cool and had a beastly yell with Vegetto, but I just don't like his voice at all.
Great Voice actor. But bad voice for Vegeta IMHO.
^This.
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dbzfan7 wrote:Too be honest I don't like Brain Drummond that much. Sure early on he was pretty cool and had a beastly yell with Vegetto, but I just don't like his voice at all.
Great Voice actor. But bad voice for Vegeta IMHO.
I second that. Sabat trying to mimic his voice just made me cringe, too. Though, much like an acquired taste, he grew on me in later games and DBZ Kai. Kinda like Eric Legrand (French Dub, probably nostalgia goggles.). Ryo Horikawa wins it, for me, though. Perfect fit for his character. Not too gruff, not too raspy. Just perfectly boastful, regal, and powerful Vegeta. The years did take their toll on his ability, though.
My problem with Drummond's voice is that it only really fit when Vegeta was the cold, calculating higher-up midget villain that we saw in the Saiyan saga. Like, in that Buu saga clip that AttitudeFan posted I was waiting for him to bust out in an evil monologue and start laughing creepily.
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I agree with pretty much all Kaiser said. Horikawa is my favorite Vegeta, though I didn't know about all the smoking. I figured it was just all age. Dang.
Drummond always sounded like Starscream to me. *shrug* I do want to see him try a more regal take, if he does do that in Ocean Kai...whenever that comes out.
Sabat trying to mimic his voice just made me cringe, too.
To be fair to him, he was mandated to, as was the rest of the cast with their respective roles.
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Sabat trying to mimic his voice just made me cringe, too.
To be fair to him, he was mandated to, as was the rest of the cast with their respective roles.
I don't doubt that. It doesn't make it any easier to listen to. My criticisms are directed towards both the performer and the director. I'm sure Schemmel was told "Kaioken" was pronounced "Kay-o-ken", but it doesn't stop me from making part of me twitch.
On an unrelated note, from what I remember, I think he nailed his impression of Scott McNeil's Jeice. Don't think he'd be as good of a screamer, though.
Sabat trying to mimic his voice just made me cringe, too.
To be fair to him, he was mandated to, as was the rest of the cast with their respective roles.
I don't doubt that. It doesn't make it any easier to listen to. My criticisms are directed towards both the performer and the director. I'm sure Schemmel was told "Kaioken" was pronounced "Kay-o-ken", but it doesn't stop me from making part of me twitch.
On an unrelated note, from what I remember, I think he nailed his impression of Scott McNeil's Jeice. Don't think he'd be as good of a screamer, though.
Agreed, those early performances are bad from the entire new cast. Some of that had to do with doing imitations instead of their own take. It's like how Brandon Routh suffered due to a bad script and doing an imitation of Reeves, whereas Cavill had a much better script and had his own take on Clark/Superman and the result was infinitely better.
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Ryo "Show Me Ya Moves" Horikawa and Chris Sabat (Kai). As PT said Drummond sounded like he was thinking "the only thing better then me is my voice" and like he was attacking the characters with his words. But Chris Sabat had a more proud, stubborn and cocky feel to it. However in Kai Sabat also has that quality. So Sabat is pretty much the alpha AND the omega.
He's just not my own particular preferred voice.
Dang.
