Freeza, Cell, and Buu - Which of these villains is your fav?
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1. Freeza: Simply, he is a cold, calculating, subtle type of evil until you piss him off. At that point, all bets are off and his whole gentleman façade goes out the window and you have feel his wrath. If you compared him to real tyrants he is like the Hitler/Stalin of the DB Universe. You wanna hate him so much that it just makes him a well written villain.
2. Beerus (wasn't listed here but, I wanna explain why he's one of my favorites): Overall, as a character I think he may be my favorite. As a villain, I would put him behind Freeza. He's more of an apathetic guy unless he wants something. Which is a nice change from the typical DB villain, he may have gag influences. But, his power isn't something to mess around with. I was glad to see someone like him after most of the generic movie villains before him. Unlike most of the previous movie villains he felt more like a real Dragon Ball villain. I absolutely hate Broli, don't understand the part of the fanbase with the metaphorical boner for him. Oh a Saiyan who is pretty much the Incredible Hulk, not much to him.
3. Buu: He's just pure, uncontrolled evil, at least for non-Super Buu. Even then murdering the whole Human race at once is very evil, only villain to blow up the Earth firsthand.
4. Cell: I enjoyed him being a dick to everybody, but as far as him being a villain. Eh, worst thing he did was drain people's bio-energy, kill the army and Goku (sort-of, Goku chose to die)/Trunks. I preferred the other 2/3 listed above styles a bit more.
2. Beerus (wasn't listed here but, I wanna explain why he's one of my favorites): Overall, as a character I think he may be my favorite. As a villain, I would put him behind Freeza. He's more of an apathetic guy unless he wants something. Which is a nice change from the typical DB villain, he may have gag influences. But, his power isn't something to mess around with. I was glad to see someone like him after most of the generic movie villains before him. Unlike most of the previous movie villains he felt more like a real Dragon Ball villain. I absolutely hate Broli, don't understand the part of the fanbase with the metaphorical boner for him. Oh a Saiyan who is pretty much the Incredible Hulk, not much to him.
3. Buu: He's just pure, uncontrolled evil, at least for non-Super Buu. Even then murdering the whole Human race at once is very evil, only villain to blow up the Earth firsthand.
4. Cell: I enjoyed him being a dick to everybody, but as far as him being a villain. Eh, worst thing he did was drain people's bio-energy, kill the army and Goku (sort-of, Goku chose to die)/Trunks. I preferred the other 2/3 listed above styles a bit more.
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Re: Freeza, Cell, and Buu - Which of these villains is your
Cell, specifically is first Imperfect form and his Perfect form. Imperfect Cell had this really creepy, sci-fi element to him and he was really cunning, always a step ahead of the heroes. And Perfect cell had the cocky affability down to a T - at the end of the day, he was just trying to have fun and test his power. I think, objectively speaking, Frieza is a better character, but I just like Cell more.
Buu, on the other hand, while hilarious for being such a subversion of what you expect from an evil killing machine, felt too much like a generic movie villain. Like PenguinTruth said, he's more of an obstacle than a villain.
Buu, on the other hand, while hilarious for being such a subversion of what you expect from an evil killing machine, felt too much like a generic movie villain. Like PenguinTruth said, he's more of an obstacle than a villain.
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Re: Freeza, Cell, and Buu - Which of these villains is your
1. Freeza
2. Cell
3. Buu
2. Cell
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Freeza is awesome as a real cliché evil villain, the 100% adversary of evil. But I like Buu, I love that chaos and no plan. He doesn't makes sense, as he's magical being made as a tool and out of control. Threat to whole universe, ultimate villain.
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This pretty much mirrors my thoughts. Beerus and Freeza are fantastic characters.SSJ4 Furanki wrote:1. Freeza: Simply, he is a cold, calculating, subtle type of evil until you piss him off. At that point, all bets are off and his whole gentleman façade goes out the window and you have feel his wrath. If you compared him to real tyrants he is like the Hitler/Stalin of the DB Universe. You wanna hate him so much that it just makes him a well written villain.
2. Beerus (wasn't listed here but, I wanna explain why he's one of my favorites): Overall, as a character I think he may be my favorite. As a villain, I would put him behind Freeza. He's more of a apathetic unless he wants something. Which is a nice change from the typical DB villain, he may have gag influences. But, his power isn't something to mess around with. I was glad to see someone like him after most of the generic movie villains before him. Unlike most of the previous movie villains he felt more like a real Dragon Ball villain. I absolutely hate Broli, don't understand the part of the fanbase with the metaphorical boner for him. Oh a Saiyan who is pretty much the Incredible Hulk, not much to him.
3. Buu: He's just pure, uncontrolled evil, at least for non-Super Buu. Even then murdering the whole Human race at once is very evil, only villain to blow up the Earth firsthand.
4. Cell: I enjoyed him being a dick to everybody, but as far as him being a villain. Eh, worst thing he did was drain people's bio-energy, kill the army and Goku (sort-of, Goku chose to die)/Trunks. I preferred the other 2/3 listed above styles a bit more.
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Re: Freeza, Cell, and Buu - Which of these villains is your
If Beers would be incorporated, my list would look like this:
1. Vegeta
2. Beers
3. Cell
4. Freeza
5. Buu
1. Vegeta
2. Beers
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Re: Freeza, Cell, and Buu - Which of these villains is your
If Birus is in I guess I'd say
1. Freeza
2. Boo
3. Birus
4. Cell
5. Vegeta
1. Freeza
2. Boo
3. Birus
4. Cell
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Not including movie villains:
1. Super Buu
2. King Piccolo
3. Freeza
4. Imperfect Cell
5. Saiyan Saga Vegeta
6. Pure Buu
7. Fat Buu
8. Babidi
9. Semi-Perfect Cell
10. Dr. Gero
11. Majin Vegeta
12. Perfect Cell
Super Buu is at top due to being devious, intelligent, hilarious, and acting in ways fairly atypical to most other villains. He's very King Piccolo-esque, who is up there for similar reasons (along with Imperfect Cell) but avoids sweeping the list due to not having as entertaining of a personality as Buu, IMO.
Perfect Cell is at the bottom because he's boring, and an idiot.
In terms of movie villains, my favorites are:
1. Janemba
2. Cooler
3. Tuellece
4. Garlic Jr.
5. Uiro
6. Hirudegarn
7. Lord Slug
8. Broly
9. Super 13
1. Super Buu
2. King Piccolo
3. Freeza
4. Imperfect Cell
5. Saiyan Saga Vegeta
6. Pure Buu
7. Fat Buu
8. Babidi
9. Semi-Perfect Cell
10. Dr. Gero
11. Majin Vegeta
12. Perfect Cell
Super Buu is at top due to being devious, intelligent, hilarious, and acting in ways fairly atypical to most other villains. He's very King Piccolo-esque, who is up there for similar reasons (along with Imperfect Cell) but avoids sweeping the list due to not having as entertaining of a personality as Buu, IMO.
Perfect Cell is at the bottom because he's boring, and an idiot.
In terms of movie villains, my favorites are:
1. Janemba
2. Cooler
3. Tuellece
4. Garlic Jr.
5. Uiro
6. Hirudegarn
7. Lord Slug
8. Broly
9. Super 13
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Re: Freeza, Cell, and Buu - Which of these villains is your
I'd say Frieza. I don't have the best reasons, but it's still my personal favourite.
Everything he does is pure nastiness. His expressions and cackles in the japanese version make me grin like a maniac. He just seems like the perfect enemy for any Shonen series i can think of.
Cell and Buu kind of seem like the "I'm evil, come at me, bro" type people. They don't have too much of a backstory, and they didn't do anything particularily memorable.(Okay, maybe Cell crushing 16's head and Buu blowing up the fricking Earth, but they still didn't seem like much, sorry)
I'm not trying to rant about the other villains. They're all great, especially Cell's voice in the japanese dub and Buu's lack of some intelligence. All i'm saying is that Frieza is my favourite.
Everything he does is pure nastiness. His expressions and cackles in the japanese version make me grin like a maniac. He just seems like the perfect enemy for any Shonen series i can think of.
Cell and Buu kind of seem like the "I'm evil, come at me, bro" type people. They don't have too much of a backstory, and they didn't do anything particularily memorable.(Okay, maybe Cell crushing 16's head and Buu blowing up the fricking Earth, but they still didn't seem like much, sorry)
I'm not trying to rant about the other villains. They're all great, especially Cell's voice in the japanese dub and Buu's lack of some intelligence. All i'm saying is that Frieza is my favourite.
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1.) Freeza
2.) Cell
3.) Buu
2.) Cell
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Re: Freeza, Cell, and Buu - Which of these villains is your
All three of them have their moments, but my personal favourite is Majin Buu. We saw many sides of him throughout his various forms. We saw his compassionate side (Fat's friendship with Mr. Satan), his creepy side (Super Buu waiting on the lookout), his arrogant side (Gotenks Buu), and his sadistic side (Kid Buu).
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I don't really consider Bills as villain.
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If he's threatening to destroy the Earth and has the power to back up such a statement, I'd qualify that as being a villain.MCDaveG wrote:I don't really consider Bills as villain.
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I know, but it's his job, he's not doing it from some evil deeds. He's god and actually, he trains Goku in kind of sense in the movie.Gonstead wrote:If he's threatening to destroy the Earth and has the power to back up such a statement, I'd qualify that as being a villain.MCDaveG wrote:I don't really consider Bills as villain.
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Re: Freeza, Cell, and Buu - Which of these villains is your
If Birus is accepted, then I put him as the N°1 "villain" without a second thought. 
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Isn't the reason he decided to blow up the Earth, killing billions of people, is because someone didn't give him a pastry? Sounds like villain material to me.I know, but it's his job, he's not doing it from some evil deeds. He's god and actually, he trains Goku in kind of sense in the movie.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: Freeza, Cell, and Buu - Which of these villains is your
^ Well, that's all the paradoxical magic of his character.
He's definately a villain in the sense that he was ready to blow up the Earth and everyone on it for selfish and futile reasons.
But at the same time, it's hard not to consider him as a new friend you like to have around and invite to your next party.
It's like your mind tells you he's a villain, but your heart tells you he's a nice guy you wanna see hanging around more. Confusing and fascinating.
He's definately a villain in the sense that he was ready to blow up the Earth and everyone on it for selfish and futile reasons.
But at the same time, it's hard not to consider him as a new friend you like to have around and invite to your next party.
It's like your mind tells you he's a villain, but your heart tells you he's a nice guy you wanna see hanging around more. Confusing and fascinating.
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It's not like he didn't like his job. He enjoyed destroying things a lot, actually. It's like saying that Vegeta wasn't a bad guy when he was working with Freeza, because destroying planets & murdering entire races was his job.MCDaveG wrote:I know, but it's his job, he's not doing it from some evil deeds.
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PenguinTruth really hammered Cell on the head; almost all of the drama Cell creates once he absorbs #17 is about other characters; Trunks defying and trumping Vegeta, proving characters right and wrong about the Super Sayain Grades, being the punching bag for Gohan to finally control and destroy with all that hidden power, etc. The story itself doesn't really have an idea of what to do with him; Gero made him to kill Goku, but Gero is dead. Toriyama piloted the rickety boat the arc turned out to be about as well as could be expected, but the strain shows. Of course, Cell's original form is largely exempt from this, for having possibly the best introduction in the franchise, and suddenly throwing something genuinely scary into the malaise #17 and #18 put the story into.
Always liked Buu because Toriyama was mostly successful at balancing his universe-ending horror and giant pink candy-loving gumball monster qualities without making Buu into a simple time bomb whose toes you should go to great lengths not to step on- the one big problem I have with Beerus- but like a legitimate looming danger; the later half of the Buu arc is one long fight, annoying as that is, because the only way it cannot be is if everyone dies. Buu has no objective (Freeza's Dragon Ball hunt) nor reason (Cell's 10-day prep time to make the inevitable fight more fun) to stay his hand, if you don't engage him, people die. But I feel the series didn't do enough with his "ancient" aspect, and the fact that most of the warriors mistakes in the arc aren't about him- Buu gets one-upped time and time again, which starts sidelining Buu in a manner similar to Cell. Probably why I'm a sucker for Kid Buu; the characters mistakes bite them in the butt, Goku's holding back further bites him in the butt and he completely comprehends that, and Buu has thrown down the Earth as his gauntlet; the fact that Toei is too only helps matters.
Which leaves Freeza. Well, Freeza's a gleeful manipulator, hopelessly overconfident to the point of making a sport of how much he can scare his victims, possess god-like strength and ki that he seems have simply inherited by biology, thus being a foil to the training-based Z fighters and a terrifying dick when he effectively transforms around their gains, and paranoid despite all of this. He really does make a good final opponent for Goku- and best of all, unlike Buu and Cell, the way the story plays out around him doesn't make Goku coming in at the end of the fight feel forced, and Goku, despite his bravado, let's Freeza hit 100% knowing it will likely cost him his life.
Appropriate that Beerus uses Freeza as a standard, as by Piccolo's measure, his was Goku's second battle of gods.
So I guess that leaves me at;
1) Freeza
2) Buu
3) Cell
I always considered Buu my favorite, oddly enough, but Freeza is easily the best executed.
Always liked Buu because Toriyama was mostly successful at balancing his universe-ending horror and giant pink candy-loving gumball monster qualities without making Buu into a simple time bomb whose toes you should go to great lengths not to step on- the one big problem I have with Beerus- but like a legitimate looming danger; the later half of the Buu arc is one long fight, annoying as that is, because the only way it cannot be is if everyone dies. Buu has no objective (Freeza's Dragon Ball hunt) nor reason (Cell's 10-day prep time to make the inevitable fight more fun) to stay his hand, if you don't engage him, people die. But I feel the series didn't do enough with his "ancient" aspect, and the fact that most of the warriors mistakes in the arc aren't about him- Buu gets one-upped time and time again, which starts sidelining Buu in a manner similar to Cell. Probably why I'm a sucker for Kid Buu; the characters mistakes bite them in the butt, Goku's holding back further bites him in the butt and he completely comprehends that, and Buu has thrown down the Earth as his gauntlet; the fact that Toei is too only helps matters.
Which leaves Freeza. Well, Freeza's a gleeful manipulator, hopelessly overconfident to the point of making a sport of how much he can scare his victims, possess god-like strength and ki that he seems have simply inherited by biology, thus being a foil to the training-based Z fighters and a terrifying dick when he effectively transforms around their gains, and paranoid despite all of this. He really does make a good final opponent for Goku- and best of all, unlike Buu and Cell, the way the story plays out around him doesn't make Goku coming in at the end of the fight feel forced, and Goku, despite his bravado, let's Freeza hit 100% knowing it will likely cost him his life.
Appropriate that Beerus uses Freeza as a standard, as by Piccolo's measure, his was Goku's second battle of gods.
So I guess that leaves me at;
1) Freeza
2) Buu
3) Cell
That- behind the aforementioned "Don't make the really important guy angry" plot that I don't like in general that Battle of Gods used- was the thing I could never reconcile about Beerus. He's supposed to be a polite and chill dude, he just cares so little (I suppose it's selfishness?) about most everything that he'll blow up the Earth on an angry whim. Really, it's the same question we ask of adult Goku! That he get's called out for it more than once- which is to say that Beerus doesn't get a free pass from everyone in the name of the gag- was very nice to see.Cold Skin wrote:It's like your mind tells you he's a villain, but your heart tells you he's a nice guy you wanna see hanging around more. Confusing and fascinating.
I always considered Buu my favorite, oddly enough, but Freeza is easily the best executed.
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