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Godo
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by Godo » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:48 am
Blade wrote:Godo wrote:EDIT: To clarify, to such an extent that SSJ2 apparently doesn't exist anymore.
Yeah, sure - apart from, you know - that time when Goku illicitly refers to it by name in Battle of Gods.
There is no "you know". The movie hasn't even been released outside of Japan for there to be a "you know".
There is in no way any requirement for the movie and all the details to be common knowledge for any Dragonball fan at this phase.
And if you need to talk, I am here for you. It's not your fault.
But now that you remind me, yes, he did show the form once, but didn't use it in battle.
So to correct myself, the form
almost doesn't exist anymore.
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by Blade » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:14 am
Godo wrote:Blade wrote:Godo wrote:EDIT: To clarify, to such an extent that SSJ2 apparently doesn't exist anymore.
Yeah, sure - apart from, you know - that time when Goku illicitly refers to it by name in Battle of Gods.
There is no "you know". The movie hasn't even been released outside of Japan for there to be a "you know".
There is in no way any requirement for the movie and all the details to be common knowledge for any Dragonball fan at this phase.
And if you need to talk, I am here for you. It's not your fault.
But now that you remind me, yes, he did show the form once, but didn't use it in battle.
So to correct myself, the form
almost doesn't exist anymore.
Sorry, excuse me?
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by Marco Polo » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:58 pm
Blade wrote:Sorry, excuse me?
He means your "apart from, you know" is out of place because the content of Battle of Gods is not yet common knowledge in the fandom (it hasn't even been released outside of Japan).
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by Blade » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:31 pm
Marco Polo wrote:Blade wrote:Sorry, excuse me?
He means your "apart from, you know" is out of place because the content of Battle of Gods is not yet common knowledge in the fandom (it hasn't even been released outside of Japan).
And this?
And if you need to talk, I am here for you. It's not your fault.
But yeah in response to the above point, I think it's ridiculous to state that Super Saiyan 2 doesn't currently exist within the franchise anymore because people aren't aware of Battle of Gods for two reasons:
1) Battle of Gods is the biggest thing to happen to the franchise in 10 years.
The absolute vast majority of active Dragonball fans have seen, read a plot summary, or at least heard of Battle of Gods. The film not having a worldwide release doesn't really change anything - this is the age of the internet, the single largest contributor to Dragonball's global proliferation.
2) Super Saiyan 2 has been acknowledged, referenced and included in practically every single Dragonball game, guidebook or relevant merchandise released in recent memory. It's a real, tangible thing, that both people within and outside the franchise know and actively refer to.
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by sintzu » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:41 pm
Godo wrote: SSJ2 apparently doesn't exist anymore.
it's not that it's the way it's drawn :
you can tell if goku is ssj2 by looking at his hair but vegeta has almost the same hair in ssj/ssj2 so you have to look at the aura wich toie never makes it and ssj's look diffrent enough like in the manga plus there is the electricity wich also isn't in the anime like it is in the manga
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by Rocketman » Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:29 am
Blade wrote:Yeah, sure - apart from, you know - that time when Goku illicitly refers to it by name in Battle of Gods.
Now
there's a mental image.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:05 am
I personally believe that Vegeta was a Super Saiyan 2 against Janenba, Hildegarn, Beers, Baby-possessed Gohan & Goten (when he powered up in the end to beat them, before getting possessed), Super #17 (both fights), and Super Yi Xing Long.
Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 against Baby-possessed Goten, Super #17, Super Yi Xing Long, and both times when he was giving his power to Goku in GT.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Blade » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:19 am
Rocketman wrote:Blade wrote:Yeah, sure - apart from, you know - that time when Goku illicitly refers to it by name in Battle of Gods.
Now
there's a mental image.
Well, a lot of the posts in this thread are making it out to be a frickin' taboo subject!
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by Li'l Lemmy » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:58 am
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Personally I like to ignore the fact that GT was ever made.
That's all well and good, but... it doesn't really contribute to the
given topic as a whole, now does it? O_o
Ordinarily, I guess that I shouldn't care. But the rate at which threads that try to discuss GT in an in-universe context somehow derail into general bashing of the series is astronomical, and often begins with innocent comments like the above. Let's try to avoid it happening here if we can. If you dislike GT, that's fine-- many of us do-- but at least try to tie it in with the discussion at hand.
I feel personally that Super Saiyan 2 was used at numerous points throughout GT. Shame that Toei didn't care about staying consistent with the visual differences between it and the original form. Super Saiyan 2 is the most poorly treated of the four transformations.
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by dario03 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:46 am
Personally I just assume they are SS2 unless its said they are only SS1 or theres some kind of reason they wouldn't be. I just go with sparks not being there for easier animation or just a style preference, kind of like the opposite of how SS3 has a insane amount of sparks and lightning in movie 12.
