As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:59 pm

The Wicked Avatar from Yugioh R, or something like it. Something that makes all the faffing about with transformations useless because it just readjusts to always be stronger.

goku the krump dancer · Post by **goku the krump dancer** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:20 pm

Rocketman wrote:The Wicked Avatar from Yugioh R, or something like it. Something that makes all the faffing about with transformations useless because it just readjusts to always be stronger.

Krillin or Yamcha would have to partake in defeating this opponent. Right before he/it is about deliver the finishing blow to Gogeta or SSJ3 Goku ( depending on when they figure out its weakness) Krillin or Yamcha steps in to take over the fight. The monster's gift now becomes its curse as its power now readjusts to be just a bit stronger than one of the two humans. While they tussle it out Goku or Gogeta could deliver the final sneak attack.

But thats just assuming the "readjust" ability works like that.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:53 pm

Rocketman wrote:The Wicked Avatar from Yugioh R, or something like it. Something that makes all the faffing about with transformations useless because it just readjusts to always be stronger.

Doesn't Naraku pretty much turn into this at the end of Inuyasha?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:53 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote:Krillin or Yamcha would have to partake in defeating this opponent. Right before he/it is about deliver the finishing blow to Gogeta or SSJ3 Goku ( depending on when they figure out its weakness) Krillin or Yamcha steps in to take over the fight. The monster's gift now becomes its curse as its power now readjusts to be just a bit stronger than one of the two humans. While they tussle it out Goku or Gogeta could deliver the final sneak attack.

But thats just assuming the "readjust" ability works like that.

Wicked Avatar's effect was portrayed as it turning into a dark version of its opponent, so you could have some fun with the art too.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:54 pm

Rocketman wrote:
goku the krump dancer wrote:Krillin or Yamcha would have to partake in defeating this opponent. Right before he/it is about deliver the finishing blow to Gogeta or SSJ3 Goku ( depending on when they figure out its weakness) Krillin or Yamcha steps in to take over the fight. The monster's gift now becomes its curse as its power now readjusts to be just a bit stronger than one of the two humans. While they tussle it out Goku or Gogeta could deliver the final sneak attack.

But thats just assuming the "readjust" ability works like that.
Wicked Avatar's effect was portrayed as it turning into a dark version of its opponent, so you could have some fun with the art too.

Better hope they dont use Fusion against it.

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:57 pm

Problem is that the villain would need 3 cards for tribute fodder just to bring it out, and at most they could only do 100 damage at a time with it, whereas unless they use hardened armed dragon or march of the monarchs it's still vulnerable to a simple dark hole or raigeki break, assuming they hold on for 2 turns until its effect stops applying, of course they could just use something like ryko on it, or better yet penguin soldier, of course nobody actually runs that in today's meta...

Wait, what was I talking about again?

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:12 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Rocketman wrote:The Wicked Avatar from Yugioh R, or something like it. Something that makes all the faffing about with transformations useless because it just readjusts to always be stronger.
Doesn't Naraku pretty much turn into this at the end of Inuyasha?

Yup, Naraku is master troll.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:18 am

Kid Buu wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Rocketman wrote:The Wicked Avatar from Yugioh R, or something like it. Something that makes all the faffing about with transformations useless because it just readjusts to always be stronger.
Doesn't Naraku pretty much turn into this at the end of Inuyasha?
Yup, Naraku is master troll.

More like villain that just refuses to die. He's up there with Orochimaru and Aizen.

Blade · Post by **Blade** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:43 am

Perhaps they can't surpass Birus in strength, but do they need to? If we go by Akira Toriyama's rough power gradations, even as a Super Saiyan God, Goku was still 40% less powerful than Birus. There's still plenty of bad guys that could be invented to fit somewhere between the two positions.

And besides, Birus isn't particularly evil anyway. Making a more malevolent enemy wouldn't be so hard.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:49 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
More like villain that just refuses to die. He's up there with Orochimaru and Aizen.

I thought Orochimaru was killed by Sasuke, then later resurrected by Sasuke?

Gonstead · Post by **Gonstead** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:26 am

Kid Buu wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:
More like villain that just refuses to die. He's up there with Orochimaru and Aizen.
I thought Orochimaru was killed by Sasuke, then later resurrected by Sasuke?

IIRC Orochimaru was simply sealed away by Itachi's Susanoo and Sasuke used the seal on Anko's neck to bring him back.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:35 am

Yep now hes on the battlefied with the Obito controlling the Juubi, or Juubito as some now call him. He just keeps comin back.

Forget the Supes VS Goku deathbattle, I wanna see Aizen vs Orochimaru. Battle of the villains who just wont die.

Regarding a villain that can top Bills. How about the god of creation? It says theres a god who creates, and one who destroys. So why not show the Sozoshin and not just the Hakaishin? Other than that, I really want a Makaioshin villain. The fans have been teased and led on enough with these guys, show them already!

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:51 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Yep now hes on the battlefied with the Obito controlling the Juubi, or Juubito as some now call him. He just keeps comin back.

Forget the Supes VS Goku deathbattle, I wanna see Aizen vs Orochimaru. Battle of the villains who just wont die.

Regarding a villain that can top Bills. How about the god of creation? It says theres a god who creates, and one who destroys. So why not show the Sozoshin and not just the Hakaishin? Other than that, I really want a Makaioshin villain. The fans have been teased and led on enough with these guys, show them already!

Aizen Vs Naraku would be better. They'd spend 90% of the convo just talking to each other about their plans and stuff.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:51 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Regarding a villain that can top Bills. How about the god of creation? It says theres a god who creates, and one who destroys. So why not show the Sozoshin and not just the Hakaishin? Other than that, I really want a Makaioshin villain. The fans have been teased and led on enough with these guys, show them already!

The Sozoshin are stated to be the Kaioshin. As for the Makaioshin, the ones from the 7th Universe are stated to be weaker than the Kaioshin. So, the only Makaioshin that could work would be Makaioshin from other Universes.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:55 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Regarding a villain that can top Bills. How about the god of creation? It says theres a god who creates, and one who destroys. So why not show the Sozoshin and not just the Hakaishin? Other than that, I really want a Makaioshin villain. The fans have been teased and led on enough with these guys, show them already!
The Sozoshin are stated to be the Kaioshin. As for the Makaioshin, the ones from the 7th Universe are stated to be weaker than the Kaioshin. So, the only Makaioshin that could work would be Makaioshin from other Universes.

Unless the Makaioshin have access to magic like the Kaioshin do. I mean we see East Kaioshin materialize a block of Katchin (think thats how its spelled) out of nothing. If they have access to magic I see no reason they cant be as much of a threat as Bills could be.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:16 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Unless the Makaioshin have access to magic like the Kaioshin do. I mean we see East Kaioshin materialize a block of Katchin (think thats how its spelled) out of nothing. If they have access to magic I see no reason they cant be as much of a threat as Bills could be.

To be more clear, they are stated to be inferior to the Kaioshin in general. So, they are not a threat, at least those from the 7th Universe.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:20 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Unless the Makaioshin have access to magic like the Kaioshin do. I mean we see East Kaioshin materialize a block of Katchin (think thats how its spelled) out of nothing. If they have access to magic I see no reason they cant be as much of a threat as Bills could be.
To be more clear, they are stated to be inferior to the Kaioshin in general. So, they are not a threat, at least those from the 7th Universe.

Which is a damn shame as Whis would have been a perfect way to introduce the Makaioshin. He even fits a Kaioshin like appearance. Though if they were to look like anything it would most likely be Chiyoko and Marble from Young Jijii's AF.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:28 am

Makaioshin are pure evil, and Whis is faaa~aaar from pure evil. He can't be a Makaioshin.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:36 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Makaioshin are pure evil, and Whis is faaa~aaar from pure evil. He can't be a Makaioshin.

I know that much. I'm saying back when we first got the poster of the movie and nothing was known. They could have set Whis up as a Makaioshin instead of whatever he is now.

FoolsGil · Post by **FoolsGil** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:01 am

The villain can make things personal. Capturing Family and Friends, take them offworld, threaten to kill them, etc

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